Trip Report CAYMAN BRAC BEACH RESORT/REEF DIVERS

[tursiops]

Well, now you're shifting your position to imply that the facts are not as the OP says. But of course, all of our comments have been predicated on the OP's recital of the facts, which by the way seem credible and consistent. Saying you'd love to hear Reef Divers's side is an admission that you've lost on the those facts and want some other new facts. Sheesh.

Nice try. I find the OP's "facts" to be mostly like one-sided, 'adjusted" to suit her narrative. From the beginning; my position has not changed. Haven't you noticed that folks come on ScubaBoard with "facts" that rather often turn out to be not really what happened? It is jumping to conclusions that her story is complete and accurate. Remember the TV show "House?" He was always saying, "patients lie." Seems the same on SB; people who think they been wronged and want to complain rarely present all the information...just their side, nicely adjusted to fit their narrative. The OP left out the rather important part about signing a waiver that says they will adhere to the rules. Her excuse? Long waiver....but she claims far more pages than the waivers there really are. Look, a lot of people have been to Brac and Little and dived with Reef Divers. Does her story fit with everyone else's experiences? Not so much. Isn't that a "fact" to take into account?
They ain't facts just because somebody said them.

 

[arew+4]

Before telling them no go on the next days dives they could have sat the pair down gone through their computers logs. If they were clearing every night or nearly so and were well matched to each other the next day should have been no problem. Ideal, no, reasonable resolution, yes.

 

[tursiops]

Before telling them no go on the next days dives they could have sat the pair down gone through their computers logs. If they were clearing every night or nearly so and were well matched to each other the next day should have been no problem. Ideal, no, reasonable resolution, yes.

Root cause here was he forgot his computer and went diving anyway. So a reasonable solution would have been for him to sit out that dive. Put his computer back on for the afternoon and have no issues with anyone.

 

[tridacna]

Nice try. I find the OP's "facts" to be mostly like one-sided, 'adjusted" to suit her narrative. From the beginning; my position has not changed. Haven't you noticed that folks come on ScubaBoard with "facts" that rather often turn out to be not really what happened? It is jumping to conclusions that her story is complete and accurate. Remember the TV show "House?" He was always saying, "patients lie." Seems the same on SB; people who think they been wronged and want to complain rarely present all the information...just their side, nicely adjusted to fit their narrative. The OP left out the rather important part about signing a waiver that says they will adhere to the rules. Her excuse? Long waiver....but she claims far more pages than the waivers there really are. Look, a lot of people have been to Brac and Little and dived with Reef Divers. Does her story fit with everyone else's experiences? Not so much. Isn't that a "fact" to take into account?
They ain't facts just because somebody said them.

I'm going to refer to @boulderjohn to comment on Reef Divers' insistence on babysitting divers.

 

[Snoweman]

It's interesting that the Little Cayman Beach Resort website says their waivers are digital and will be emailed to the guests prior to arrival. But the Cayman Brac Resort website omits this information. Both websites refer their rental gear charges to this PDF.

I can't tell if the OP left the computer on the boat, or forgot to bring it on the boat. If it's the latter, then I would expect the boat to have a spare computer or two if there is a malfunction with the diver's own gear.

 

[ReadyDiverOne]

Nice try. I find the OP's "facts" to be mostly like one-sided, 'adjusted" to suit her narrative. From the beginning; my position has not changed. Haven't you noticed that folks come on ScubaBoard with "facts" that rather often turn out to be not really what happened? It is jumping to conclusions that her story is complete and accurate. Remember the TV show "House?" He was always saying, "patients lie." Seems the same on SB; people who think they been wronged and want to complain rarely present all the information...just their side, nicely adjusted to fit their narrative. The OP left out the rather important part about signing a waiver that says they will adhere to the rules. Her excuse? Long waiver....but she claims far more pages than the waivers there really are. Look, a lot of people have been to Brac and Little and dived with Reef Divers. Does her story fit with everyone else's experiences? Not so much. Isn't that a "fact" to take into account?
They ain't facts just because somebody said them.

So, first, her story didn't change, she freely admitted signing that waiver and that sitting out the afternoon dive, while a pretty rigid result, was within their rights. Second, in my very first post, I noted that I'd never heard of such rigidity by Reef Divers, and wondered whether others had, so yes, I've considered that "fact". Third, to be clear, it is you who have changed your position. Indeed, your original position was based on the facts as the OP laid them out. But now, after multiple posters called your view out as unreasonable, you insist that you're still right because you don't believe the OP's version of the facts.

Gotta say, in my line of work, when people change horses mid-race, they lose.

 

[arew+4]

Root cause here was he forgot his computer and went diving anyway. So a reasonable solution would have been for him to sit out that dive. Put his computer back on for the afternoon and have no issues with anyone.

Really just a guess, but I'd wager they use wrist mount, he had it on the first dive but but not the second, do they do go back to the resort between 1 and 2? It sounds like he was into the dive before he noticed he didn't have it, doesn't sound like he knew he didn't have it and said screw it I'm going to dive anyway. Bailing on the third that day was the proper call, this is not a point of contention.

If his computer was clear in the morning, they could have just run his second dive off his buddies or the DMs profile, which ever yielded the more conservative result, and run him through the tables with his first dive data and the substitute data, and let the data decide if he does #3. I would strongly advise against that, and the shop would have every right to forbid it. But if didn't show skipped deco in the table results, the next day would be a new zero.

 

[boulderjohn]

I'm going to refer to @boulderjohn to comment on Reef Divers' insistence on babysitting divers.

My recent experience with LCBR was nothing like the situation described in this thread, so I really have nothing to say about it. I will say that I thought their processes were overly strict and controlling. I did not like being in a single group of 17 divers following the lead DM with another DM in the rear to make certain nobody got too rambunctious, especially in the <60 foot second dive. I didn't like the procedure for putting 17 divers in the water, which took at least 7 minutes. I frankly did not leave with good memories, and I am doing what I can to forget it all.

In retrospect, I think they, like some other operations I have encountered in more remote locations like this, are doing everything they can to make sure that no one, but no one, gets DCS.

 

[ReadyDiverOne]

My recent experience with LCBR was nothing like the situation described in this thread, so I really have nothing to say about it. I will say that I thought their processes were overly strict and controlling. I did not like being in a single group of 17 divers following the lead DM with another DM in the rear to make certain nobody got too rambunctious, especially in the <60 foot second dive. I didn't like the procedure for putting 17 divers in the water, which took at least 7 minutes. I frankly did not leave with good memories, and I am doing what I can to forget it all.

In retrospect, I think they, like some other operations I have encountered in more remote locations like this, are doing everything they can to make sure that no one, but no one, gets DCS.

Wow, no bueno. I don't think I've ever been there with more than 10, maybe 12 divers on a boat and even then there was still a pretty good amount of freedom to do your own thing. Again, I wonder whether they had an incidents/accident in the last few years.

 

[scubadada]

It's interesting how things change. I have been to LCBR twice, once in 2010 with my son and once in 2014 with my wife. My son and I largely dived independently and reboarded the boat at around an hour. My wife and I generally dived with the guide for the 45 or so minutes before returning to the boat. My wife was low on gas before me. I was allowed to swim around by myself until I had expended the hour or so.

I have only dived in Cayman Brac once in 2017. I did the trip by myself. I never had a buddy. I stayed within reasonable sight of the group through the first 45 min and then dived by myself to the limit around an hour. It was all very relaxed and good diving.

My wife and I are considering returning to Little Cayman this fall.