Request: Compressor setup for dummies

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@Agro good info. I'm not currently planning to buy any compressor at all. More asking out of curiosity than anything.

@InWay2Deep Yeah, kinda what I figured. As I said in the post, I figured that was the case. I was just curious about the breakdown. Sounds like I'd be better off joining the dive rescue team so I can get my fills for free. A plan that'll have to wait a while though, as I'm currently lacking several certifications and the requisite free time.

@rjack321 Did somebody here take a piss in your cheerios or something?
 
No, he is just being brutally honest...
Also just remembered that unit has not come with a PMV in the past and that is another expense just to get it set up correctly
@rjack321 Did somebody here take a piss in your cheerios or something?
It's a super cheap compressor just *barely* suitable for breathing air under the best of circumstances.
 
Compressors are not rocket science. Anyone with the slightest mechanical aptitude can run one and do very basic maintenance. Believe it or not if you dive regularly enough you will see return on your investment. A lot of dive shops would like you to think they are some sort of voodoo magic that only they are allowed to possess.

We can talk raw costs easily but what people don't always touch on is the convenience factor. Loading tanks into your truck, driving across town to the dive shop, fighting traffic, getting there and finding out the shop's banks are empty or their compressor is down for service.

There is a lot of value in simply being able to fill tanks on your own time without ever leaving your own home. I can fill tanks while drinking my morning coffee or afternoon beer and I never have to leave my garage. I have full control of the process. I know I am getting good and consistent fills and I regularly check to make sure I'm not dumping water or oil into my clean tanks. It's an incredible time saver and you can be fully in control of the process.

Everyone has already touched on basics.
  • Make sure your air intake is somewhere it can pull "clean/fresh" air, not next to running vehicles/gas generators/etc.
  • Regular filter changes based on hours/humidity/temperature
    • You may want to consider a secondary filter stack depending on the unit you purchase some smaller compressors have barely adequate or undersized filters.
  • Regular oil changes (hours/seasonal/etc)
  • Compressor maintenance when needed.
  • Air Quality Testing (quarterly/bi-annually or whatever you are comfortable with)
    • I know this is obvious but it's important to note that the air testing really only gives you a brief picture of the quality of air you're producing. It doesnt guarantee that 3 weeks later you won't have an issue that causes it to fail testing.
I cannot speak on any sort of authority on the Max-Air 35. My recommendation is to go bigger if you can afford it. I own another brand small ~3.6cfm compressor which I have been very happy with but If I had to do it all over again I would buy a 5cfm+ compressor. At some point I will upgrade. My understanding is the Max-Air is not designed for continuous duty.

It gets very painful if you're having to fill 4-5 cylinders ~3 days/week with a smaller compressor but it's still far better than fighting an hour of traffic both ways to get to a dive shop in Friday rush hour traffic.

It's hard to say what I have into my compressor and fill panel setup since I did not keep track of the costs but I would say I have about $8-9k into the compressor/panel/fill station. I recognize this is pretty short money compared to most people's setups. Some people own compressors that cost 2-3x the cost of my setup. This includes stuff like compressor, nitrox stick, larger secondary filter tower/stack that goes into a 5-port manifold that has 3 additional fill whips.

Nitrox fills are in the $16-20/tank range in my area. In the summer I try to dive 3-6 times a week and that doesnt include my wife diving. 20 x 6 = $120. It adds up very quickly. I did a whole spreadsheet a couple years ago tracking costs but of course now I can't find it.
 
I am a scrounger, researcher and willing to take risks on buying used things which SHOULD function.

I'm into my setup for about 2.5kUSD. That was for an ex-military Bauer that probably has very low hours. I worked it out and between driving, plus the cost of fills, I'll break even in 200 tanks. That's about a years diving for me and assumes the compressor is a 100% sunk cost.

However I could have ended up with a completely useless compressor and it has required some work on my end.
 
given that shops sell air at profit
No, shops do not sell air with a profit.

Air fills are a convenience to keep customers coming in the shop so that, while waiting for their fills, they will buy fluff and tchotchke, which are sold at a profit.
 
@Wookie If absolutely nothing else, there are three people in my area who do fills independent of shops, and one of them has told me straight up he turns a profit on it, at $10/air fill. That being said, I suspect volume is a key factor here. As for the oil cost, I was saying it was negligible because another post said $90 worth of oil would last him several years. Assuming that's true, fairly minor expenditure in comparison. If it costs more than that, then that's different, but I do not know. That's why I made this post.

@macado I would love to hear more from you regarding this. You've already gone into more detail/depth than a lot of comments/stuff I can find online, and I appreciate that greatly. Would you mind running down the cost/savings analysis of your setup for me? I feel like it'd be a worthwhile investment for me (at some point in the future, I'm not about to go out and buy one tomorrow) if I broke even on fills or had only marginally greater costs, but I don't think I could stomach taking significant cash loses and having to screw around with the compressor on a regular basis.

@grantmac What/how are you doing your maintenance estimates? I have a great deal of difficulty finding estimates on the cost of running a compressor after I buy it, save in vague terms. If it costs me $10 to fill a tank with my local guy, how much am I saving/losing by doing it on my own, if I fill x tanks/year? That sort of thing.
 
@Wookie If absolutely nothing else, there are three people in my area who do fills independent of shops, and one of them has told me straight up he turns a profit on it, at $10/air fill. That being said, I suspect volume is a key factor here. As for the oil cost, I was saying it was negligible because another post said $90 worth of oil would last him several years. Assuming that's true, fairly minor expenditure in comparison. If it costs more than that, then that's different, but I do not know. That's why I made this post.
I owned a liveaboard dive boat for 20 years, and did about 7,500 fills a year in a busy year.

Cost to me was about $4 a fill for air, $6 for Nitrox, just in prefilters and LP air compressor maintenance. We had to replace a membrane once, but that was operator error. And about $10k IIRC.

Your $10 a fill guy is either filling hundreds of cylinders a week or he forgot something in his price calculations. I'm not here to argue, I lived it (and I still have my own personal compressor). If you can get him to fill you safely, air tested and a synthetic oil, man, I'd get my fills from him all day long.
 
@Wookie I'm not here to argue either, as I honestly have absolutely no clue what most of this stuff means. Hence the 'for dummies" part of the title lol. I'm just trying to accurately report what I've heard, and it's entirely possible the guy was just saying that for all I know. From what he said, he's making money at $10/fill, but would be losing at $7/fill. Also, his setup is definitely different from what yours was, as it is definitely not a membrane system. I have more confidence in him than the guy that was $5 a fill and kept screwing up, that's for sure.
 

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