Pbdiver84
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I was taught primary donate. The necklace concept looks interesting, but I’ve also seen a diver get caught on their necklace… so for now I’m staying with an octo magnetically attached to my hip.
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I’d like to hear more details about where and how they got hung up by their reg necklace.I was taught primary donate. The necklace concept looks interesting, but I’ve also seen a diver get caught on their necklace… so for now I’m staying with an octo magnetically attached to my hip.
He is clarifying that it is a choice from the instructors, not from the agencies and replied in the subsequent reply to clarify.I thought I had sufficiently couched my post. But this is the internet.
I didn’t intend to imply that alternate donate was a hard and fast rule amongst the agencies. Though it would be amusing to see an agency include the phrase “pie hole” in their course literature. I suppose I should have said the majority of OW students are taught that if someone is out of gas you donate your octo….
Clearly from the rest of my post, I don’t subscribe to the thought that’s it’s the only way to dive. But for the people that are just going to rent gear when they go to the quarry or dive on holiday, the primary and Octo setup is what they’re likely to find and that’s what they’re likely to be taught.
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There’s a ton of options for securing octos some being more reliable than others. Definitely a plus in the necklace column. IF I ever went the independent instructor route, it would be something I’d have to give a lot of consideration.
You can make a mess of things if you put your long hose on before your short hose. That's the reason for the modified s-drill at the surface.I’d like to hear more details about where and how they got hung up by their reg necklace.
Of that I am aware.You can make a mess of things if you put your long hose on before your short hose. That's the reason for the modified s-drill at the surface.
The OOA person does not take an alternate from a necklace. If the alternate is on a necklace, the OOA diver takes the primary and the donor uses the one on the necklace.Let us say for teaching secondary donate why would it matter for the OOA person whether they take the octopus from the abdominal triangle or off a necklace?
No. Not really. I have two OW certs (PADI, YMCA). I have also attended two OW courses with my daughters (SSI). Out of all those, only the PADI instructor taught Octo donate. The others taught mostly primary donate, but also explained that some may be using Octo donate.Open water teaches that if someone is out of gas you donate your octo and your primary stays in your pie hole.
It matters when someone has put necklace last, and didn’t do a modified a drill before to jump or at the surface.Well I appreciate the discussion.
Let us say our goal in initial instruction, OW, is to turn out the safest holiday diver we can so that they don't get into trouble while they decide how they will pursue the sport of diving.
I was not even trying to start a discussion of primary or secondary donate but those are interesting discussions.
Let us say for teaching secondary donate why would it matter for the OOA person whether they take the octopus from the abdominal triangle or off a necklace?
For this person with the necklaced second it is safer if they have a freeflow or other failure of the primary or the primary gets knocked out of their mouth for some reason to have the secondary on a necklace. No searching for a regulator.