Looking for new wing

[RobPNW]

Except I just noticed centrally located hose

If it is in fact the same as the Subgravity wing but rebranded, it isn't in the center. On my Subgravity wing, it's about halfway between the center and where it would be on let's say an Apeks. I have no idea what the part is called but the edge of circular plastic piece that attaches the elbow to the wing is about one inch offset from the center. Again, that is if they are just rebranded versions of the same wing.

 

[JoeTPhilly]

If you look at the photo of Eric's rig, you can see the wing has some plastic rods covered with fabric that is used to center the tank on the plate. If the wing has slots to slide the cam bands through then it usually has something similar to center the wing. If there are no slots then it doesn't because it is made to use an STA.

Eric's is the only recent plate I know of that has a built in STA. Years ago an Australian company made a plate with a built in STA. Also there are some plans floating around on the internet on how to make a plate with a built in STA.

Interesting. I kind of like using an STA because I can easily switch to doubles.

Halcyon has the STA built in on their Carbon Fiber Pro with the "rods" molted into the CF.

 

[Nemrod]

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I copy no one.

Show off.

The Oxy UltraLite and the VDH plate do not use a STA. None is needed because the plate is flat and does not perch the tank atop a ridge that places the tank several inches higher than needed if flat. The cam bands trap the tank and it does not move or shift. The Freedom Plate really does not need an STA either.

VDH left and Oxy right:

 

[Eric Sedletzky]

If you look at the photo of Eric's rig, you can see the wing has some plastic rods covered with fabric that is used to center the tank on the plate. If the wing has slots to slide the cam bands through then it usually has something similar to center the wing. If there are no slots then it doesn't because it is made to use an STA.

Eric's is the only recent plate I know of that has a built in STA. Years ago an Australian company made a plate with a built in STA. Also there are some plans floating around on the internet on how to make a plate with a built in STA.

Well technically a STA (I pronounce it “stay”) is an adapter (Single Tank Adapter) that was invented for a doubles plate to make it work with single tanks.
So in my rulebook of terms, a STA is a bolt-on bracket that is used on doubles plates to make them work with single tanks. If the plate is already a single tank plate then the term STA is a misnomer.
It should be termed a tank bracket or a stability control bracket, built-in tank stability system, or something to that effect.

 

[ams511]

Well technically a STA (I pronounce it “stay”) is an adapter (Single Tank Adapter) that was invented for a doubles plate to make it work with single tanks.
So in my rulebook of terms, a STA is a bolt-on bracket that is used on doubles plates to make them work with single tanks. If the plate is already a single tank plate then the term STA is a misnomer.
It should be termed a tank bracket or a stability control bracket, built-in tank stability system, or something to that effect.

Eric,

The original backplates from the late 90s and the early 00s did not have the slots for the cam bands cut into the plate. These were the true doubles plates. Consequently, an STA was needed to mount a single tank. I think only Light Monkey still uses that old design, but they are not a major player in the BP/W market.

When the industry discovered that if they cut slots in the plate and wing to run the cam bands through, then a STA is not necessary. When they added the rods to the wings it was marketed as a "built-in STA", presumably to communicate to divers the bolt-on bracket was no longer needed. I think the industry calls it roll control now.

What your rulebook terms an STA is actually a misnomer also. If a modern plate can be used with a single tank then why is an adaptor needed? It should be termed tank bracket or any of the other names you mentioned. I assume it is still called an STA because that is what it always was called. Why change the name and confuse divers? By the way, Halcyon calls uses the term STA on their carbon fiber pro plate, so I am not the only one that uses that term. Take it up with JJ.

Speaking of terms, the use of the term "doubles plate" is misleading given that modern backplates can be used for both singles and doubles (except for Light Monkey). Also this term confused one of the participants of this thread. I never seen a modern plate marketed as a "doubles" plate it is just a backplate. I only heard the term "doubles" plate used on this thread, I understood what was meant but I have been diving since the early 90s, a newbie probably doesn't understand this term.

I understand the uniqueness of your plate is that it is designed as a singles-only plate to make single tank diving more comfortable. You can call the channel anything you want because you are the manufacturer, but I would caution you to pick a term the average diver would understand.

Have a great day and dive safe.

 

[ams511]

Highland (XS) just launched a 20lb low profile wing. Looks great - a lot like my Apeks 18 - but no idea how it dives. Ptice will be good i expect.

The price is $300. I think the DGX or HOG is a better deal.

20lb Travel Wing

20lb Travel Wing The Highland Travel Wing makes a nice addition to a diver’s modular plate and wing system. Due to its streamlined profile and light weight, it lends itself well to traveling or to those dives when you just feel like being a minimalist.

www.diverightinscuba.com

 

[ams511]

Interesting. I kind of like using an STA because I can easily switch to doubles.

Halcyon has the STA built in on their Carbon Fiber Pro with the "rods" molted into the CF.

Thanks for the heads-up on the Halcyon Pro plate. I knew they had a carbon fiber plate but I didn't know they had one with the cinch and STA built in.

One main advantage of an STA, is that it allows you to mix and match plates and wings. While the bolt holes are standard, nothing else is. Consequently the plate slots and the wing slots may not align. Wings from the off-brands usually have larger slots to work with a wider variety of plates.

 

[happy-diver]

I'm an Australian modifier of other peoples manufacture

 

[drakcheslav]

After all the learnimg about the singles paltes I realized that at least for me feels like a marketing gimmick.

When I was diving backmount, I bought a backplate and wing for singles as a base to update for doubles when I reach technical diving. But in the meantime i hurt my back and neck, and swapped to sidemount. But still, Most of the people buying backplates here is so that they can upgrade to doubles down the line.

Having a single plate specific plate kinda locks you. I understand thay for some people having several setups is not a problem, but most divers I know like to have their gear as universal here. And some.dive doubles for 80% of the time and swap to a single wing only on vacation.

The single plates look to me as a metal version of the old plasric tank harness.

 

[lexvil]

The Scubapro S Tek plates are not cut for tank bands.