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If diving is in any trouble our constant use of the word industry instead of sport may reveal why.

How many amateur football players refer to their sport as an industry?
 
To me, there are still two big questions to be asked and answered for folks to pony up a total of $18,000.

1. What will you do to draw people to your show if it's going to be on the internet. How will you advertise it to the masses and make the regular non-diving folks tune in? In other words, what's the marketing plan for the show? Marketing it on SB or dive magizines could be one way but then you are pretty much just reaching folks who already dive. In my mind, marketing is everything. You gotta have a plan for that.

Excellent question(s)!

Current plan is to market via the following (in no particular order):

Press release and follow-up to Main Stream Media, and making the principal(s) available for quotable interview. Since I am familiar with MSM, this is not as tough as it sounds. I ran guerrilla marketing stuff back when I was in another industry that pulled a lot of press, TV and column inches.

Reaching out to educational institutions with an interest in environmental stories and concerns.

Ditto to corporate sponsors who wish to show that they have the same interests and concerns as their clientele. (this could be industry stakeholders, for example.) They could provide additional funding as time goes by. Someone has mentioned to me that Netflix, Amazon and Hulu are now interested in producing their own content, though I'm not sure that's the way to go for widest distribution. Country-specific distribution plays into those three, and not in a good way.

Of course, you really can't market anything until you have an episode (or three) to show as pilot programs.


2. After the first three episodes, do you believe that you will pull in sponsors or folks willing to advertise to fund the next three or will you need to come back and ask for more donations for more trips?

The ideal is to pull in sponsors to continue the series, yes. If you are constantly going back to the crowdfunders, then I myself would submit you've got nothing to grab the wider audience everyone wants.

I would point out again that the Kickstarter campaign is an All-Or-Nothing one; if the finance goal is not reached, no funds are collected or disbursed.
 
If you don't feel there's a problem, there's really no need to support this.

I support it, but not for the reason that it will help the scuba industry. (I guess I don't care too awfully much how the scuba industry goes because I believe there will always be a scuba industry -- however large or small.)

I joined it because divers will be the most passionate about ocean conservation. If new divers result from this effort, that would be great. Ocean conservation is REALLY crucial!

Thanks for mentioning it, NetDoc. Good luck, John!

- Bill
 
I joined it because divers will be the most passionate about ocean conservation. If new divers result from this effort, that would be great. Ocean conservation is REALLY crucial!

Thanks for mentioning it, NetDoc. Good luck, John!

- Bill

Thanks, Bill!
 
If diving is in any trouble our constant use of the word industry instead of sport may reveal why.

How many amateur football players refer to their sport as an industry?

I don't think of diving as a sport either, as that would imply some form of competition. For most of us it's nothing more than a recreational activity ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
I haven't read every single response so I apologize if I'm repeating somebody's earlier post.

Scuba diving isn't a new sport. Everybody on earth I think probably knows what scuba diving already is.
Why isn't it more popular?
I think it's fairly complex and there are a number of reasons, and not one answer.

1. Not everybody is the swimming person or water type. They don't visualize see themselves getting the enjoyment out of it like some do. Can they swim, yes, do they like to get in the water and recreate, yes, do they want to put their heads under for prolonged periods of time, not always.
2. People like to snorkel (warm tropical waters on vacation) but diving is one step beyond what they are comfortable doing.
3. They may not live in an area that scuba is a culture. In those areas scuba divers are a rarer breed and must really want to do it (inland areas away from the ocean).
4. Diving seems threatening and too dangerous. They hear of people dying.
5. The price of training and gear. The people I see and associate with on a daily basis (friends) who might want to try scuba some day are put off by the initial training costs and gear costs just to get started.
6. It just doesn't seem like an action sport that will give them the rush they are looking for.
7. They are scared of the unknown (sharks in my area) and many other evil things lurking waiting to get them.

I talk to many people when I'm out in the field doing my job. The guys I know, most are into wakeboarding, snowboarding, hunting, dirt bikes, harley's, show cars and car shows, and other various activities like salmon fishing, fly fishing, other fishing. Most are blue collar types, journeymen in various trades, weldors, truck drivers, auto body men and mechanics, carpenters, construction workers. These guys make a decent living. They're also tough and in shape most of them, they are the outdoors type. The perfect candidates for our sport. They could easily afford to take up scuba. The biggest answer I get when I ask them if they ever thought about scuba or freediving for abs (In my area) is, hell no! not me, way too dangerous. Or, I'm scared of the ocean.

So I don't know if scuba will ever be a big sport.
Maybe it's possible that it was over promoted from it's original natural percentage and what we're seeing is a natural retraction to what it normally would be with the people that are truelly interested in doing it.
In the 60's it slowly grew and then boomed because it was so new and exiting.
But now it's almost like a been-there-done-that activity and no one really gives it much thought anymore.

I really don't know if TV shows or movies would actually get people to walk into shops and sign up. They might be entertained by a show or movie but I think it would probably stop there.
The ones that want to do it don't need to be prodded. The ones doing it will always do it.
Most of the ones that try it because of some outside pressure are also the biggest drop out group. Dive shops need to realize that they can't depend on and run a business based on dabblers.
The industry as a whole needs to realize it can't survive long term on dabblers. All dabblers will do is buy once then flood the market with used gear a few years later for pennies on the dollar. This will hurt the indusrty worse in the long run because they will adjust to a spike in sales then when it backs off they will have a deficit in income while having a bigger machine to feed..
I don't dislike dabblers, they are only people trying the sport to see if they like it. Some will stick and most won't. I wish more would stick around but we have no control over that.
I don't want to see dive shops and charters go away. But the quick sale to a less than enthusiastic customer base by arm twisting and trick sales doesn't do anybody any good - except for that one sale. I just don't think trying to artificially support an industry with temporary supporters is a very good long term survival strategy.

I don't know what the answer is. We may see a further decline until it reaches a steady base supported by the here-to-stay dedicated diver.
Who survives and who goes out fighting over the scraps of leftovers may also be dictated by business policies of dive shops and manufacturers. There will be a further thinning, that is almost certain.
 
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Interesting thread title!

and my response is a different one to that proposed - but before I get to that ... IMO diving is a recreational pursuit - not a sport or an industry. I am a long time diver (started over 30 years ago) here in New Zealand. If the issue is the impact on the middle man then that is more to do with changing purchasing behaviour (e.g. online) than numbers coming through the door on courses etc.

Personally, I haven't strapped a tank on my back for over 5 years now as I have found the joy of free diving and spearfishing - although this has not changed my purchasing behaviour. I still buy local - supporting two of the three freedive / spearfishing retailers near me. I have dived with the owners of 2 of them and see the benefit of keeping the local businesses going BUT I also check out prices online to ensure I am getting good $$ value as well (and for my latest purchase of a GoPro I found my local store to be cheaper than online! - a win-win).

Get over the change in business model - it will happen no matter how many punters role off the assembly line. Look at your own business model and work out how you can take advantage of the new buying behaviour punters are exhibiting.
 
I don't think of diving as a sport either, as that would imply some form of competition. For most of us it's nothing more than a recreational activity ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
I agree, perhaps sport wasn't really a suitable term either. My point was simply that diving has been commercialised to such an extent that even divers refer to it as an industry, which is a bleak outcome in my opinion and damaging to the diving community.
 
Lots of recreational activities spawn an industry. Anything that requires equipment or services or supplies will support businesses which sell that equipment or provide those services or supplies. My other hobby, horseback riding, is part of a huge industry composed of vets, farriers, feed stores, boarding facilities, trainers, instructors, breeders . . . I don't find that that means it's been commercialized. It just means that the rider is the top of a pyramid of economic activity. The same thing is true of diving -- shops sell training and gear, boats take divers out, resorts cater to divers, etc. Other than having us all make our own equipment, how else could it be?
 
I agree, perhaps sport wasn't really a suitable term either. My point was simply that diving has been commercialised to such an extent that even divers refer to it as an industry, which is a bleak outcome in my opinion and damaging to the diving community.

Lots of recreational activities spawn an industry. Anything that requires equipment or services or supplies will support businesses which sell that equipment or provide those services or supplies. My other hobby, horseback riding, is part of a huge industry composed of vets, farriers, feed stores, boarding facilities, trainers, instructors, breeders . . . I don't find that that means it's been commercialized. It just means that the rider is the top of a pyramid of economic activity. The same thing is true of diving -- shops sell training and gear, boats take divers out, resorts cater to divers, etc. Other than having us all make our own equipment, how else could it be?
I will go even further than TSandM and say that ALL recreational activities spawn industries to support them. It is not only inevitable, it is beneficial. In the early days of cave diving, the story is that people were creating back plates out of stop signs. I would rather buy a well designed commercial back plate myself.

If you think this is new....

In the early days of scuba, an organization was formed to support the sporting goods stores that were selling the needed equipment. It was called the National Association of Skin Diving Stores--or NASDS. That group eventually decided that if the stores wanted to sell gear, they would also need to teach their customers how to use it. They added instruction to their mission and changed their name to the National Association of Skin Diving Schools. They later merged with SSI and then bought out the old SSI leadership. In essence then, a current mainstream scuba instruction agency, SSI, began its life more than 50 years ago as an association in support of retailers in support of a brand new hobby called skin diving.
 

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