Wreck Preservation..

[starfish365]

There is a orange/white mooring buoy on it. We put it out 3 or 4 weeks ago.

Let me guess....you turn left at the first seagull ??? sorry that's how we did it last year on Lake ON....LOL....sorry Spark...that will last a while...tee hee...LOL

 

[sparky30]

The Raleigh is located at 42-51.9260N / 079-09.2540W.

It's a good 1/2 mile from shore, but I wouldn't swim it due to all the boat and jet ski traffic around Sherkston. The jet skis sometimes use it as a racing buoy if there is no boat tied to it.

If you are going by line of site, it is directly in line with the road running down the West side of the Shertston Shore property line. 30' of depth, but the boiler comes up to abot 10 or 12 feet. There is a orange/white mooring buoy on it. We put it out 3 or 4 weeks ago.

Cool.. Thanks..
Maybe I'll take the dinghy out and take a look

 

[sparky30]

Let me guess....you turn left at the first seagull ??? sorry that's how we did it last year on Lake ON....LOL....sorry Spark...that will last a while...tee hee...LOL

Sure.. I turn left a the wrong seagull and everybody remembers It was funny.. LMAO
The moral of the story is that its always the second seagull.

 

[Scuba_Steve]

Fair enough Spark. You don't want help, never asked for it, never wanted it.

Again, the club is so very sorry you think that way. I will be sure to give them a copy of the PM letting them know.

I understand fully now, those that asked me why I chose to care...........

Perpetuating a known lie is as good as saying it yourself. And you posting this thread was, as you admitted, fully about the Tiller, which was a direct result of the other boards local spat with which we all know is directed at those of us diving it all Spring. Again, you said so yourself.

Yep, nice job.

But of course, you're snow-white, neutral and clean as always Spark.

Fair enough then.

 

[Over The Edge]

Okay guys, time to play nice, well not really

I am surprised D33 hasn't jumped in here with a S.A. comment

Now Sparky, it seems that you have been used a as pawn in a wicked web of deception. For the past couple of weeks on more than one board, verbally, pm's and e-mails a number of references have been made to the current condition of the Tiller wreck.

Since my company had been the only boat running to the wreck since January a number of trolls have been trying to point fingers.

Now I captian most days and keep an eye on everyone getting back on board. I have not seen anything come back on the boat that shouldn't.

I actually did a dive on the wreck a month ago and it was no different then it was the first time I dove it three years ago.

Now in order to remove the amount of silt that has been mentioned one would have to use an air lift. I just happen to own one and know how much work goes into using it. It is not an easy job and in 100' would be unbaearable. If anyone was out there with an air lift we would have noticed.

Did you ever think to consider moter nature??

The Carolina Rose in tobermory has been moved more than once since it sank by winter storms.

Anchor damage???

Did you not know that the Tiller Wreck sits in the anchorage zone for the St. Lawrence Seaway?? That's why Ian Marshall has to file a notice to mariners when the marker goes up.

So I am off to Rockport this weekend to pick up my 60lb navy anchor. I just may have to drop it on your keyboard if you don't give up these stupid accusations LOL

p.s. scuba steve, good job today, I may have to let you out of bilge cleaning duty this weekend

 

[starfish365]

Sure.. I turn left a the wrong seagull and everybody remembers It was funny.. LMAO
The moral of the story is that its always the second seagull.

seagull seagull....smeagul...smeagle....

tee hee....sorry darling...couldn't resist...

anyway - back to wreck preservation. tee hee...

 

[Scuba_Steve]

Now easy OTE, remember, it's not you and I they are speaking of!!!

The "pawns" say it's our own imagination.....hehehehehe

I think we mixed up a bad batch of ArgoX hehehehe

It's exactly because I KNEW it was us (And so did everybody else) that they were talking about, that I jumped in with both feet. I take great exception when a friend has his business and reputation (OTE) put into the toilet by people wishing him only harm. (Not these folks here, but those that started this in the first place).

Unfortunately these guys don't yet think they've been played. It's a good thing everyone is going on hearsay, since I don't think there's one of them that's been on the Tiller in 12-15 months!

Oh well, back to the pot smoking...........

Hell, I'd clean the bilge with a toothbrush. It's bigger than the toothPICK you gave me last week.

You did pretty well today yourself, if I might say so, OTE.

hehehehe

LMAO all day.

Steve

 

[starfish365]

Now Sparky, it seems that you have been used a as pawn in a wicked web of deception. For the past couple of weeks on more than one board, verbally, pm's and e-mails a number of references have been made to the current condition of the Tiller wreck.

Did you not know that the Tiller Wreck sits in the anchorage zone for the St. Lawrence Seaway?? That's why Ian Marshall has to file a notice to mariners when the marker goes up.

Well the "truth"??? finally comes out...too bad to use someone as a pawn....causes hurt feelings and is very nasty, as stated before - this thread was only to ask ligit questions about wreck preservation only. What can Joe Blo do to assist and where does one get started. I thought that was the whole point of wreck preservation....asking the right questions and getting the right answers. One would think all those who dive her would want the same thing. Not just for a select few. Since this is an ongoing issue for all wrecks world wide it never hurts to ask. Right? Right!

I'm sure the other readers haven't appreciated the interjections and personal attacks made....and I too stooped low and took a jab and for that I apologize to all you out there. Personal business should remain personal and not a part for the world to see.

And yes we knew about the Seaway....and cringe everytime we see one with a dropped anchor in the area. But that's also a part of wreck preservation and Ian does a great job in assisting in that area with his notice to the mariners.

 

[sparky30]

Fair enough Spark. You don't want help, never asked for it, never wanted it.

Again, the club is so very sorry you think that way. I will be sure to give them a copy of the PM letting them know.

I understand fully now, those that asked me why I chose to care...........

Perpetuating a known lie is as good as saying it yourself. And you posting this thread was, as you admitted, fully about the Tiller, which was a direct result of the other boards local spat with which we all know is directed at those of us diving it all Spring. Again, you said so yourself.

Yep, nice job.

But of course, you're snow-white, neutral and clean as always Spark.

Fair enough then.

You are correct.. This thread started as a general question, but I was thinking about the Tiller.. I said that myself.. I included my original posts below... You are also correct that the interest was sparked by the argument on the other board...However, I really wasn't thinking about you or anybody else in particular. That fact remains that people are still (re)moving artifacts from wrecks. I don't know why you feel that I was talking about you... Yes you dove the Tiller many times this spring.. so did lots of other people.. If I could get there I would have dove it too...What does that have to do with anything. I posed a general question.. The reason I focus on the Tiller is because its on our doorstep. If I lived in Kingston I would probably talk about a local wreck there. If someone would have told me that people started digging around teh Marsh I would have been just as interested, would have started the same thread. Would you still have assumed I was talking about you?
The people who depend on the industry (divers, charter operators, LDS, etc..) seem to be doing little to change that (in our area at least.. Its a whole different issue in Kingstonf ro example). That's why I was asking what might be done to improve the present situation. I'm sorry I posted a general question. If I would have known that you were going off the deep end I would not have posted it, or perhaps picked a different example.
As to my neutrality. Like I said in a previous post.. I'm not taking sides.. I've post previously that I have my own opinions on many things.. Sometimes they are on one side of the fence, sometimes the other. I take my business wherever I see fit.. sometimes one divestore, sometimes another...
If that makes me a black sheep, so be it. I never said I was neutral.. I said I am not associated with any divestore, club, charter, group, etc.. That mean I still habe my own opinions that may or may not be different than your. If you think I was pointing a finger at you, I'm sorry.. I was not. I don't know what else to tell you.

I have a wreck preservation question.. How do you prevent people from removing (or moving) artifacts from wrecks??
Charter operators don't tolerate this type of behaviour, but how do you prevent private folks form doing it? Any moron with a boat can pillage to their hearts content.
Its not like you can watch over a wreck every minute of the day...Education doesn't seem to be working.. I hear a recent report that one of my favourite wrecks looks like someone has been digging around it (and in it) and some of the item previously there are gone...
Its sad that this type of thing is still going on
My only solution would be to educate people at local marinas and boat ramps.. There are more of them, then there are divers.. sort of like a community watch... except for artifacts... What have other people tried?

That's the part that amazes me.... The same people that depend on the industry seem to do little to stop the problem..
Its funny that you should mention the Tiller... That's the wreck I was thinking about when I wrote the original post. I know local charter operators would not tolerate pillaging.. So it must be some other individual.. I don't even know who you would call if you caught someone red handed.. I'd be surprised if the local constabulary would even come out if you called in a violation of the Heritage Act.. Where does one report violations?

I had not even considered anchor damage... The Tiller is pretty deep.. and there is a mooring on it.. that helps a lot.. unfortunatly it also makes the wreck easier to find for thos ewho want to remove artifacts.

 

[Scuba_Steve]

I'm good Spark.

The offending PM's (not yours) since have been dumped before reading. I don't care to read them. I guess it was one final low blow. Kinda like, "Touched you last"

My mom says reading bad words will make me go blind.