Why is it.............

[texdiveguy]

........... that in both cases of DAN and PADI do both these groups in my interpretation require their instructors of in the case of PADI's EFR course be a minimum of a Dive Master and in the case of DAN's basic O2 and other non-dive courses require you to be activily involved in SCUBA instruction which I take to mean DM or above. ????

I have an interest and the basic knowledge to thinkl I would make a great instructor for the EFR class and several DAN courses....but because I am not at least a DM I can not. Both the EFR and most if not all DAN courses do not require diving practices and exercises in the course. I VERY soon will have my Master Diver rating and DAN Diving Emerg. Specialist rating not to mention already having my-- O2//Adv O2//CPR//First Aid//Rescue Breathing//AED//First Aid for Hazd. Marine Life//Rescue Diver rating. I pers. have know interest at present to persue DM or above instructional certification. I think I am more than qualified to go thru the EFR and DAN instruction moduals.

I have my own ideas as to the reason both groups have set this req.,,,, but was wanting to get your ideas and input.

 

[StSomewhere]

Liability insurance?

 

[ZenDiver]

Dont know about DAN and PADI, but the assumption NAUI is that you know how to teach. You have to be an Instructor or higher. When you take the course, at least for NAUI, they didnt teach the course they gave you an outline and made suggestions on how to teach it. The assumption was that you went through an intense instructor training course already. Also I believe you have to carry professional liability insurance to teach this as well.

 

[Quarrior]

No offense meant here, but, would you be comfortable taking a diving related course from someone that is not certified to teach diving as well? I wouldn't. Kind of like taking a tech diving class from an OW instructor.

 

[texdiveguy]

No offense meant here, but, would you be comfortable taking a diving related course from someone that is not certified to teach diving as well? I wouldn't. Kind of like taking a tech diving class from an OW instructor.

No offense taken for sure! I was thinking along the lines of lib. insurance as mentioned above,,,,BUT these are courses that CAN be tought in fact by non SCUBA trained persons in terms of the material...... I might just be a proffessional paramedic or even a medical doctor, and might even teach in school these particular areas or other topics.....so the idea that only SCUBA DM/instructors have the training/skills to teach the classes is silly! I think it is unfortunate that someone in my position can not add to the sport of SCUBA thru teaching these support courses.... it probably all comes back to the issue of lib. insurance in some form,,,,and not being a lawyer I would not want to guess. I still think it would be smart to allow us SCUBA involved "lay" folks the opp. to get involved in this portion of the educational process in our sport/hobby.

 

[ZenDiver]

No offense taken for sure! I was thinking along the lines of lib. insurance as mentioned above,,,,BUT these are courses that CAN be tought in fact by non SCUBA trained persons in terms of the material...... I might just be a proffessional paramedic or even a medical doctor, and might even teach in school these particular areas or other topics.....so the idea that only SCUBA DM/instructors have the training/skills to teach the classes is silly! I think it is unfortunate that someone in my position can not add to the sport of SCUBA thru teaching these support courses.... it probably all comes back to the issue of lib. insurance in some form,,,,and not being a lawyer I would not want to guess. I still think it would be smart to allow us SCUBA involved "lay" folks the opp. to get involved in this portion of the educational process in our sport/hobby.

I know NAUI accepts Red Cross and a few other agencies for CPR/ 1st Aid. They also accept EMT and above to fulfill those requirements. Maybe look into teaching with a non-scuba agency. Its all the same training in the end and you might benefit more people that way. Good luck.

 

[Cudabait]

EFR is a PADI subsidiary. So I guess all PADI teaching requirements apply.

Regards,

 

[randyjoy]

EFR Instructor can be taught to non-PADI members. From the Third-quarter (July), 2004 "Responder":

EFR Offices Expand Instructor Training/
New Curriculum Released
Emergency First Response (EFR) is expanding its instructor ranks in regions supported by EFR Offices (EFR Corp.— Americas, EFR Pty. Ltd.—Asia Pacific and EFR Ltd.—International). Effective immediately, EFR Instructor Trainers may train non-PADI Members as EFR Instructors in these territories. Anyone who has taken EFR Primary Care/Secondary Care and Care for Children provider-level courses within the last 24 months may enroll in EFR instructor training in these regions.

Practicing medical professionals (paramedics, EMTs, nurses, doctors) may also enroll and are not required to have completed the EFR provider-level courses because their professional medical training serves as an equivalent. Current first aid/CPR instructors with other qualifying organizations may qualify for the EFR Instructor Crossover Program.

 

[texdiveguy]

EFR Instructor can be taught to non-PADI members. From the Third-quarter (July), 2004 "Responder":

EFR Offices Expand Instructor Training/
New Curriculum Released
Emergency First Response (EFR) is expanding its instructor ranks in regions supported by EFR Offices (EFR Corp.— Americas, EFR Pty. Ltd.—Asia Pacific and EFR Ltd.—International). Effective immediately, EFR Instructor Trainers may train non-PADI Members as EFR Instructors in these territories. Anyone who has taken EFR Primary Care/Secondary Care and Care for Children provider-level courses within the last 24 months may enroll in EFR instructor training in these regions.

Practicing medical professionals (paramedics, EMTs, nurses, doctors) may also enroll and are not required to have completed the EFR provider-level courses because their professional medical training serves as an equivalent. Current first aid/CPR instructors with other qualifying organizations may qualify for the EFR Instructor Crossover

Program.

Thanks for this info.,,,,I was not aware of this.....good news for me,,,,I will follow up thru my LDS and it's CD. This reply and the others in this thread is why ScubaBoard rocks!!!