Why didn't I ask my instructor? (and an introduction)

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2airishuman

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In a couple of other threads someone suggested that I direct my question to my instructor instead of SB.

I live in a semi-rural part of Minnesota. There aren't a lot of dive shops. A year ago, I went to the dive shop that was closest to me, and got some snorkeling equipment. The service was fantastic despite the shop being small, and I ended up with a mask that fits, and a snorkel and fins that worked better than anything I'd previously tried. I had such a great time in the ocean that, once it became clear that finances and schedules would allow us to travel again this winter, I decided to take an OWD class. I stopped by the dive shop, which had changed hands but was still helpful. They're a PADI shop and told me to take the on-line course.

The nature of the on-line course is such that there isn't anyone who is really "my instructor."

It isn't possible to complete an OWD class in Minnesota this time of the year, because the water is too cold. So my path will necessarily involve pool time here, followed by completion of the open water dives while I am traveling. This shop conducts the confined water dives in a single day, and schedules them on an ad hoc basis when they have enough students. My class has been canceled once. The shop doesn't know who my instructor will be, because they have a group of instructors and aren't sure who they'll assign.

Subsequently I expect to engage in two days of open water dives, in the ocean, with an instructor who I have not yet met, and with whom I do not expect to form a lasting instructor/student relationship.

I don't know how to do this any better at this point. In retrospect, if I'd decided to do this a few months earlier, I would have had more choices because I could complete all the training locally. Knowing what I've learned since on SB, I might have sought out a larger shop that offers a broader range of training. At this point I can't because most of those locally are not PADI shops, so I'd have to start over on the knowledge portion of the class, and there would be the additional complication of setting up the open water portion of the training with a dive center that uses the same agency.

I appreciate the expertise on SB. I ask questions here, and enjoy reading the replies. There's certainly a broader range of viewpoints that I'm going to get at my LDS, and experience with a broader range of diving activities, locations, and equipment. I don't think I would have learned, for example, what "rock bottom" is, why it's important, or how to calculate it -- without the discussions on SB. And I think I would probably have been talked into hauling local rental gear on my trip and back, then talked into buying a jacket BCD, with an Air2 and an unnecessarily expensive regulator from a manufacturer that uses titanium for their high-end products.

I am a novice trying to make the most of a system of instruction that is designed to be easy and inexpensive, because that is all the industry offers me. I want to be safe, have a good time, and get the most for my money.

I think that I will become a safer diver by asking questions and reading posts on SB than I would have been by directing all my questions to my instructor.

Whoever that is.
 
Thanks for the Post. It puts a new context to the Threads you have started, for me at least.
 
Good post mate.

I haven't seen your posts. But in some cases, people say ask your instructor as different instructors sometimes have different ways to do things. If you don't do something their way, they'll fail you.

This might not be the case though!


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Much clearer now. Thank you. I am one of those who was suggesting or wondering what your instructor was telling you. This is one of the issues I have with on line training. Even though it is an option for my classes.

It's also why I often tell new divers to take a look at everything they can find to read on the subject. I recommend Steve Lewis's "The Six Skills" to everyone. The lessons there apply at every level of diving. I also guide them to my book which was written specifically with the new diver and want to be diver in mind.

There is a very real benefit to having a relationship with an actual instructor throughout the process. A face to face relationship. Even one that you can call or email. I would think that your LDS that you are working with would offer that. While it may not be the instructor you would have all the time, it would be someone.

Landlocked areas are tough to work and teach in. Pool time is ridiculously expensive and hard to schedule. I am fortunate to work with another local shop that has the only indoor heated pool dedicated to scuba training in my area. There are several instructors that work with the shop, not for it, and we all contribute in some way to keep it open and maintained.

I just had a couple call me last night who want to do an Intro after the holidays to see if they are both able to dive. One of the things he told me was how disappointed they were when calling around to find an instructor and being told to do the class on line or take the books home and study them. Very little actual face to face classroom time. They were not comfortable with that. Sadly, thought it is common in landlocked areas. Many instructors and even shops are not the full time occupations of the owners. They have to have other jobs to eat and pay the bills.
 
My OW course was one instructor for classroom/pool and another for the checkout dives (I took the standard classroom/book course). It went fine for me. There are times when the pool instructor just can't do the checkout dives for a number of reasons. Our shop tries it's best to keep one instructor the whole way--or if it's a problem, at least the same DM. I guess as usual, it just depends on the 2 instructors as to how good it winds up. There are a whole lot of questions that arise once you start diving, but even with one instructor you just don't think of them during the course.
 
The PADI online course combined with warm water qualifying dives are going to produce more new divers like the OP - I'm one of them. I'm still in the process of establishing relationships with my local dive shops, but "ask your instructor" isn't clear cut for new divers like us.
 
I am one of the type that got OW certified on a vacation is saved me $400 over the LDS price and I was going there anyway. The resort did a great job and my instructor was awesome in my opinion. Since returning home I have cultivated a relationship with my LDS and have taken 2 classes from them (Nitrox and Dive against Debris). The one benefit I think I have gotten out of doing things like this is exposure to different instructors and their styles. It has allowed me to see the different perspectives and provides a wider range of information to learn from. Currently I am scheduled to take AOW at the end of the month in Pompano from yet another instructor so another perspective to draw from. Together with all of the great information I have picked up from here I think it will make me a more informed and aware diver. Notice I didn't say better only diving can do that ( something I learned from here).

So to the OP I say variety is the key to the vast information out there and practice will allow you to figure out what works for you. Keep on learning.
 
2Air,

Have you planned a vacation yet? There's quite a few PADI instructors down here in Florida and I'm sure they are here on SB and would work with your situation. Why not do your class work online, take a mini vacation to Florida and complete your OW? Perhaps request some instructors who participate on SB, this way you can continue the relationship.

Edit: BTW, I don't know what the temp is where you live, but I'm sitting on my porch and its around 80F. I bet now would be better than anytime to take a vacation to Florida. :D
 
There is a subforum of this Basic Scuba Forum named the instructor's panel. It was designed for situations like this, but I don't think very many people have any idea it exists, let alone use it. Whatever the reason, it doesn't get a lot of action.

The main idea of the forum is that you can ask any question, and an instructor will step in an provide an answer. It is supposed to be a simple question/answer area, without the raging debate of the regular forums. There are some very good and very well-informed instructors on ScubaBoard, and you can learn a whole lot from them before you really get into your course.
 
Landlocked areas are tough to work and teach in. Pool time is ridiculously expensive and hard to schedule.
It's $40/hour here, so a lot of the money a student pays goes towards the 6-8 hours of pool time, particularly with a small class. Luckily there are 3 different scuba shops here (luckily for me, it's at least one too many for them) so it's pretty easy for me to sign up to use a corner of their pool for a fairly nominal price most any weekend.
 

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