Which organization for cavern/cave certification

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rileymartin

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Hi,

I am traveling to the Riviera Maya in April and will be taking a cavern diver course and getting cavern certified. I will be taking the intro and full cave courses the following year. Are there any benefits in choosing one organization over another? I can't find any information to sway me one way or the other. Thanks.

Riley
 
There are differences in organizations with regards to curriculum, teaching methods, and standards/limits. Fortunately, the Riviera Maya has some great instructors. My recommendation is to speak with the following instructors and then make a decision.

Dennis Weeks - www.diablodivers.com
Steve Bogaerts - www.gosidemount.com
Fred Devos - www.zerogravity.com.mx
Adam Korytko - www.caveheaven.com

Enjoy the journey!
 
The ONLY thing I've been able to figure out is that the PADI Cavern Course may not have the same "cachet" as one of the "regular" cave agencies (TDI, NSS-CDS, NACD, etc.).

When I took Cavern (and intro and Full) my instructor just asked me which agency I wanted to issue my card and then suggested one because it was his experience the response was significantly quicker!

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Don, other than GUE which is very different, it was my understanding there was no significant difference among the others. I'd appreciate hearing from you what the differences are -- thanks. (And yes, I know some have "apprentice" but it sounds like you think it is more than that.)
 
GUE and UTD do not offer a cavern course. That's one difference. Their feeling is that if you are diving in an overhead environment, you need the skills to do it, and there is no "a little bit pregnant" about being in an overhead.

As far as the other agencies go, as Peter said, many instructors are accredited by several agencies and teach the class they teach and give you the card you ask for. The books for the various agencies (I think I have almost all of them) vary in specific details, but the basic skills are the same: Good buoyancy and trim, non-silting propulsion, light and hand signaling, running a reel, lights out line following, lost buddy and lost line drills.

I would agree with Don's list of recommendations, except that if you are interested in cavern to begin with, there is not much point in talking to Fred, because he doesn't teach it.
 
Don, other than GUE which is very different, it was my understanding there was no significant difference among the others. I'd appreciate hearing from you what the differences are -- thanks. (And yes, I know some have "apprentice" but it sounds like you think it is more than that.)

While the course progression and limits for NACD, NSS-CDS, IANTD, and TDI are similar, there are difference for courses with NAUI, GUE, and UTD.

In addition, there's difference in methodologies. Some agencies are strict or rigorous (depending on your perspective) and others offer their instructors flexibility or slop (depending on your perspective). As the result, there are classes that are more like mentorships, some classes that heavily focus on individual skills, and some classes that heavily focus on team skills. With regards to drills, some classes have individual failures, other classes compound failures, and other classes have what some may say have an unrealistic number of failures (of course, those who have taken these courses will offer that the number of failures is not the point).

With regards to standards, some agencies are strict/rigorous and others allow their instructors to make the determination of student success. For example, while every agency mentions "trim" or "buoyancy" in their standards, how theses standards are interpreted are different among agencies and their instructors. For cave specific drills, what about the lost line drill? Is finding the line a success criteria?

At the end of day, the course you choose will affect the way you dive and look at the cave. However, I'm not going to say which one is the best for every diver. Each person has to make a decision for themselves.
 
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