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hey,
At the moment, im looking at all the different courses and all different dive schools for the one thats best for me. But im getting really confused with all the different PADI, SDI, TDI, NACD course providers.
Most of the school around my area provide the PADI and im thinking im gon'na go with them,
but if anyone can suggest otherwise or give compelements towards PADI i'd love to hear it.
 
You going to hear lots about choosing the right instructor and that is always best.

A plus for PADI is they have online check and it doesn't matter where in the world you are if you have received a dive card it can be checked. Recently I had a NAUI certified diver who forgot his card. He was certified through one of NAUI's headquarters from another part of the world. These headquarters were closed so we called NAUI worldwide. Guess what they couldn't tell us whether this diver was certified or not. We couldn't let him dive as we had no proof of certification.

So if you can find a PADI instructor you like then go for PADI.

Otherwise don't get caught up with agencies. Ultimately you will learn to dive and people will allow you to dive no matter what agency certifies you.
 
There are lots of differences in training standards from one agency to another. Some agencies' standards are much higher than those of others. Which agency you choose is usually the single biggest factor in the quality of your course, however there are exceptionally good instructors in all agencies and one of those exceptionally good instructors can overcome shortcomings in a particular agency's standards. NACD and TDI do not provide entry level classes, although SDI and TDI are two sides of the same coin. Be prepared - carry your c-card in your wallet and a front and back copy in your carry on luggage and you'll never have a problem with proving you're certified no matter what agency you choose.

To find an excellent course will require some research on your part. Going down to the first local shop you find will get you a c-card, but your training will likely be inadequate.

Take your time to research and find the best instructor in your area. Next, take time to complete the course. A good course will last several weeks. Don't rush this, it's something you can spend the rest of your life enjoying.

How do I find an above average course and how will I know I've found it?

Interview potential instructors. Most people never ask any questions beyond price. As the old saying goes, "You get what you pay for." Excellent instructors will usually have a higher priced class for a number of reasons. The instructor is dedicated toward providing you all the time you need to master necessary knowledge and skills. Extra pool time can be expensive. Keep in mind; the instructor is trying to make a living. His time is valuable.

Consider alternatives. While many instructors teach through dive shops, some of the best are independent instructors or affiliated with colleges, universities or YMCA's.

Questions to ask the instructors:

How long have you been teaching? Most instructors improve over time. They learn new techniques and get ideas from other instructors and through experience to improve their classes.

Do you certify all your students? Only instructors who are in a hurry and care nothing about your safety will answer yes. You want an instructor who will require you to be safe and knowledgeable before issuing a c-card. An excellent instructor might tell you that he is willing to keep working with a student until the student either qualifies or gives up.

What skin diving skills will I learn? While there is some disagreement on this point, many professionals believe a solid foundation in skin diving will not only make you a better SCUBA diver, it will make learning SCUBA easier.

Will I learn confidence-building skills? There are some skills which have no direct application to a typical dive, but which do build your confidence as well as your abilities. This, combined with an understanding of the panic cycle, will make you much less likely to panic.

Do you teach the panic cycle? Panic is the most dangerous aspect of diving. Many instructors do not understand panic and believe there is no way to combat it. In actuality, panic is understood. It is though learning the panic cycle and by increasing skill levels that panic is avoided.

Do your students swim with their hands? This will let you know if the instructor pays attention to details. Good divers do not use their hands for swimming.

Do you work on trim? Divers should usually be horizontal in the water. Good instructors will see that students are striving towards good trim. Poor instructors often neglect it.

Do you overweight your students? Many instructors overweight students. It is not a good practice.

What method do you use to correctly weight your students? Any answer that does not involve actually getting in the water means you want to avoid that instructor.

How many people will be in my class? Small classes are better. You'll have more individual attention. Unless the instructor is using certified assistants, more than four students are difficult to watch.

How many certified assistants will you be using? Unless the class is relatively large (more than 4 students) this should not be an issue. An instructor should have a certified Divemaster or Assistant Instructor for every two students over four. There are times when divers working on their Divemaster or Assistant Instructor certifications assist with a class. This is normal and not an issue, but they do not count toward the assistants an instructor should have when working with larger classes.

Will I be learning skills kneeling on the pool bottom or mid-water? This question is not critical, but will let you know if you've found an instructor who has a great deal on the ball. The over whelming majority of instructors (even good instructors) teach skills kneeling on the bottom. Don't eliminate instructors who do. Some instructors have realized your mask will flood while you are swimming, not when you are sitting on the bottom. You need to learn skills in the manner in which you'll be using them.

Do you dive for fun or just when you are teaching? Instructors who've stopped diving for fun are burned out.

Questions to ask yourself:

Is the instructor patient? While talking with your potential instructor, you should be getting a feel for his personality. Patience is an important quality for an instructor. You want to avoid instructors with a drill sergeant demeanor.

Would I be happier learning from a man or a woman? Only you can answer that question, but in general it is not usually a serious consideration. There are excellent instructors and there are poor instructors. Men and women fall into both groups.
 
Walter:
There are lots of differences in training standards from one agency to another. Some agencies' standards are much higher than those of others. Which agency you choose is usually the single biggest factor in the quality of your course, however there are exceptionally good instructors in all agencies and one of those exceptionally good instructors can overcome shortcomings in a particular agency's standards. NACD and TDI do not provide entry level classes, although SDI and TDI are two sides of the same coin. Be prepared - carry your c-card in your wallet and a front and back copy in your carry on luggage and you'll never have a problem with proving you're certified no matter what agency you choose.

To find an excellent course will require some research on your part. Going down to the first local shop you find will get you a c-card, but your training will likely be inadequate.

Take your time to research and find the best instructor in your area. Next, take time to complete the course. A good course will last several weeks. Don't rush this, it's something you can spend the rest of your life enjoying.

How do I find an above average course and how will I know I've found it?

Interview potential instructors. Most people never ask any questions beyond price. As the old saying goes, "You get what you pay for." Excellent instructors will usually have a higher priced class for a number of reasons. The instructor is dedicated toward providing you all the time you need to master necessary knowledge and skills. Extra pool time can be expensive. Keep in mind; the instructor is trying to make a living. His time is valuable.

Consider alternatives. While many instructors teach through dive shops, some of the best are independent instructors or affiliated with colleges, universities or YMCA's.

Questions to ask the instructors:

How long have you been teaching? Most instructors improve over time. They learn new techniques and get ideas from other instructors and through experience to improve their classes.

Do you certify all your students? Only instructors who are in a hurry and care nothing about your safety will answer yes. You want an instructor who will require you to be safe and knowledgeable before issuing a c-card. An excellent instructor might tell you that he is willing to keep working with a student until the student either qualifies or gives up.

What skin diving skills will I learn? While there is some disagreement on this point, many professionals believe a solid foundation in skin diving will not only make you a better SCUBA diver, it will make learning SCUBA easier.

Will I learn confidence-building skills? There are some skills which have no direct application to a typical dive, but which do build your confidence as well as your abilities. This, combined with an understanding of the panic cycle, will make you much less likely to panic.

Do you teach the panic cycle? Panic is the most dangerous aspect of diving. Many instructors do not understand panic and believe there is no way to combat it. In actuality, panic is understood. It is though learning the panic cycle and by increasing skill levels that panic is avoided.

Do your students swim with their hands? This will let you know if the instructor pays attention to details. Good divers do not use their hands for swimming.

Do you work on trim? Divers should usually be horizontal in the water. Good instructors will see that students are striving towards good trim. Poor instructors often neglect it.

Do you overweight your students? Many instructors overweight students. It is not a good practice.

What method do you use to correctly weight your students? Any answer that does not involve actually getting in the water means you want to avoid that instructor.

How many people will be in my class? Small classes are better. You'll have more individual attention. Unless the instructor is using certified assistants, more than four students are difficult to watch.

How many certified assistants will you be using? Unless the class is relatively large (more than 4 students) this should not be an issue. An instructor should have a certified Divemaster or Assistant Instructor for every two students over four. There are times when divers working on their Divemaster or Assistant Instructor certifications assist with a class. This is normal and not an issue, but they do not count toward the assistants an instructor should have when working with larger classes.

Will I be learning skills kneeling on the pool bottom or mid-water? This question is not critical, but will let you know if you've found an instructor who has a great deal on the ball. The over whelming majority of instructors (even good instructors) teach skills kneeling on the bottom. Don't eliminate instructors who do. Some instructors have realized your mask will flood while you are swimming, not when you are sitting on the bottom. You need to learn skills in the manner in which you'll be using them.

Do you dive for fun or just when you are teaching? Instructors who've stopped diving for fun are burned out.

Questions to ask yourself:

Is the instructor patient? While talking with your potential instructor, you should be getting a feel for his personality. Patience is an important quality for an instructor. You want to avoid instructors with a drill sergeant demeanor.

Would I be happier learning from a man or a woman? Only you can answer that question, but in general it is not usually a serious consideration. There are excellent instructors and there are poor instructors. Men and women fall into both groups.


While Walter and I haven't always seen eye to eye on some topics, I think he's spot on with his statement here.
The only thing I could possibly add is the PADI is the biggest cert. agency out there,
But biggest doesn't alway equate best either.
 
Excellent Sticky worthy list Walter.
 
I prefer GUE. They don't have an OW program at this time, but if you find a GUE instructor (Liam Allen maybe?) who also teaches OW for another agency then that might be a good option, or maybe not, but take a look.

If you are already comfortable in the water and so forth, then another approach might be just to take the cheapest OW course you can find since most of it is pretty basic unless the instructor happens to be special.
 
I could do with a bit of help if possible, i'm looking into SCUBA courses with the intention of attending an expidition to the bahamas within a years time. My problem is which training program to i sign up for BSAC or PADI?

PADI is very widely recognised but expensive, i'm looking at least ~£500 to be trained to the level i need (advanced open water)

BSAC on the other hand can train me up to advanced open water level for £175 (which includes a years membership with a shed load of nifty extras and post qualification access to the pool at £1.50 an hour) but I don't think it's as widely recognised, i certainly hadn't heard of it before i started looking.

The problem is that i'll need to be able to hire equipment in the bahamas, would a BSAC be recognised in a PADI or NAUI dive shop?

thanks for any help you can give.
 
PADI is the best because that's who I went with, and although I know nothing about the other options out there, I am right! :D
:popcorn:
 
Stine:
PADI is the best because that's who I went with, and although I know nothing about the other options out there, I am right! :D
:popcorn:
Now that sounds like something a PADI diver would say.. :D
Most of mine are Naui and Padi. Going the TDI way next. You can't go wrong with either one, mostly it's the instructor.
 
The questions that Walter suggests are a great start. PADI has the best infrastructure to support their divers around the globe. That may or may not be of any value to you. As has been stated a number of times, its the Instructor that is the biggest single determinant. Walter sharpens his PADI-axe constantly and I am a PADI Instructor (full disclosure ). I don't disagree that the certifying agency has an influence on the quality of the instructor, but so does their disposition, experience, and commitment to quality education. ALL of those can overcome any standards 'short comings'

That being said, I would be MOST careful with SDI. The latitude that the agency allows, including leaving the testing of skills in open water up to the discretion of the Instructor, is troublesome to me. That they are from two sides of the 'same coin' with TDI -- whose reputation in the technical diving community is quite good -- confuses me. PADI catches a lot of heat for allowing students to use an eRDP (basically a calculator of sorts) instead of learning how to use tables. SDI doesn't teach tables at all, but REQUIRES their students to have a dive computer....which will turn into a bottom time as they learn to use tables if/when they become a TDI student.
 

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