Where does "technical" begin? (or Why get AOW certified?)

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I'm still new to diving (cert OW in July '03), so I'm gonna ask this question. Hopefully it doesn't come out sounding like a troll....

At what point does a dive become a "technical" dive from a "recreational" one? Is it when a decompression obligation occurs, or perhaps a specific depth? Something else?

I ask this because I am considering which direction to steer my diving education. Oh sure, I'd love to get cave certified--but that may not be for me; I'm still thinking about how I would handle an emergency underwater in a cave. I would definately like to experience deeper depths with longer times than my current experience would dictate (~20 dives total to date, ~80fsw max depth). So what's the next step? Since I already have the EANx taken care of, I wonder what the value of AOW would be. Since the max recreational diving depth is ~100 feet, why not just go ahead and learn ALL the aspects involved in a dive of that depth, instead of just getting a card that says I can be at 100 feet for 5 minutes?

OK, the real question should be why get AOW certified? Is there something important in the class that needs to be understood before making the step into the "technical" world? Or would it be better to just spend the money on diving and gaining proficiency and experinece, work on getting into/maintaining physical and mental fitness, and then take a staged decompression course?

Does any of this make sense? :lol: I'm open to your input.... Please don't think I'm rushing things--I'm not looking to jump into anything soon. I know there is no substitue for experience. I just don't want to waste time or money getting something I really don't need or will be covered better in a later course.

Thanks!!
 
You've got a few hundred dives to go before you should be thinking about technical diving. IMO the AOW is good in that it usually is the route to rescue diver, which everyone should do.

There is also no "rule" as to what constitutes a technical dive vs a recreational one. Depth, gas, duration, conditions all play a part in how complex or demanding a dive is.

Very generally, beyond 130', overhead (actual or virtual), extended duration, or mixed gas (not nitrox) is considered technical.

MD
 
If you ever decide to come to New Jersey and do some wreck diving, be prepared to be sent home. The AOW cert is a prereq for a lot of the boats.
 
Probably the most widely accepted definition for "technical" diving is when you're diving with an overhead that makes it impossible for you to survive should you decide to just "blow and go." That is, you're diving too far back in the cave/wreck (distance, complexity, depth or visibility) or with too much deco obligation to make it alive - and therefore must have the discipline, planning, training and the equipment to prevent any situation requiring said "blow and go."
Advanced Nitrox and Cavern are transitional courses that nibble at the edges of technical diving.
Cave and Trimix are clearly technical courses.
As Scuba training exists today, AOW is the minimum trainiing level you should complete to dive unsupervised in all but the most benign environments.
Rick
 
Anything before advanced nitrox is recreational. This covers the following:

Basic open water
Basic nitrox
Advanced open water

Until you have finished these 3 classes, you are not really a scuba diver. They open the way for everything else that follows.

Then there are one or all of three roads that you can follow:

The "dive leadership" road:

Basic rescue
CPR & first aid
O2 provider
Divemaster
Instructor

The "technical" road:

Advanced nitrox
Stage decompression
Advanced deep air
Basic/cavern
Basic trimix to 200 ft
Advanced trimix to 300 ft
Advanced/cave

There is also the re-breather tangent:

Basic semi-closed circuit re-breather
Advanced closed circuit re-breather

Re-breathers are mainly for photography and filming. They do not give off as many bubbles as open circuit, so they do not scare the fish as much.

A fair amount of tech divers are also certified to the instructor level in pre-tech in hopes that this gives them good basic watermanship skills like buoyancy control, and so that they can perform as reliable buddies for other technically trained divers, spotting problems, and dealing with them effectively.

So, the road is long.

The very top of the pyramid is at the tech/cave instructor level. You need a boat, so you can take tech students out to wreck sites. Or you would need to charter someone else's boat, if you do not have a boat of your own. So even if you are a technically certified diver, there is always someone more highly certified than you are.

The most credibility in the dive industry belongs to the tech instructors. These people are quiet, confident individuals that do not rant and rave on dive boards, like the rest of us do!
 
DeepTechScuba once bubbled...
Until you have finished these 3 classes, you are not really a scuba diver.

The "technical" road:

Advanced nitrox
Stage decompression
Advanced deep air
Basic/cavern
Basic trimix to 200 ft
Advanced trimix to 300 ft
Advanced/cave

There is also the re-breather tangent:

Basic semi-closed circuit re-breather
Advanced closed circuit re-breather

Re-breathers are mainly for photography and filming.

A fair amount of tech divers are also certified to the instructor level in pre-tech in hopes that this gives them good basic watermanship skills like buoyancy control, and so that they can perform as reliable buddies for other technically trained divers, spotting problems, and dealing with them effectively.

So, the road is long.

The very top of the pyramid is at the tech/cave instructor level. You need a boat, so you can take tech students out to wreck sites. Or you would need to charter someone else's boat, if you do not have a boat of your own. So even if you are a technically certified diver, there is always someone more highly certified than you are.

The most credibility in the dive industry belongs to the tech instructors. These people are quiet, confident individuals that do not rant and rave on dive boards, like the rest of us do!


Man oh Man did I learn some stuff from this post...

1.) I'm not actually a scuba diver! I don't have my Nitrox ticket so I guess that my Rescue and DIRF certs. are just totally bogus and I should just get out of the water.

2.) The technical road I've chosen isn't here at all...purchase doubles, dive them...RecTriox, Tech 1, Cave 1...etc.

3.) RB's are primarily for photography

4.) The DM/Instructor courses are the correct place to learn buddy skills.

5.)Unless I own a boat I'll never be able to teach tech...(didn't see that one in the prerequisites...must have the following equipment...one dive boat; 22 feet or longer...)

6.)George Irvine doesn't really exist (yeah, he's not an instructor but you know what I mean).

:wink:
 
I thought that George Irvine never goes anywhere without his expert tech instructor, Jarrod Jablonski, with him?

Isn't that true? I mean, seriously, JJ can dress up George, but every time he takes George out, he gets embarrased??!
 
DeepTechScuba once bubbled...
I thought that George Irvine never goes anywhere without his expert tech instructor, Jarrod Jablonski, with him?

Isn't that true? I mean, seriously, JJ can dress up George, but every time he takes George out, he gets embarrased??!

We need "action figures" G.I.JJ! :D
 
The (PADI) AOW course helps you:
- practise your diving skills further
- explore some of the diving specialties

The course is quite different from the OW course: much less theory and much more practical experience. Many dive outfitters will require AOW before they will take you on more advanced (read: interesting) dives. So I strongly recommend you take it.

If you are not interested in cave diving (which I can fully understand...), you are probably not interested in wreck penetration either. Then you need to wonder why you want to go technical. Just going deep loses its attraction very quickly: 200' doesn't feel any different than 50' and often you see less. Going the technical route just to find this out is a lot of work and a lot of money (technical diving pretty much means you high quality gear and pretty much 2 of everything, so figure).
:snorkel:ScubaRon
 
bwerb once bubbled...



Man oh Man did I learn some stuff from this post...

2.) The technical road I've chosen isn't here at all...purchase doubles, dive them...RecTriox, Tech 1, Cave 1...etc.

See! I TOLD ya not to do those sissy classes :rolleyes:

I'll dive with you if you have a boat...

MD
 
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