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I would love to know what about a second or third jump makes the dive more complex.

Really?? You really don't know? Then either your Apprentice instructor needs to be smacked upside the head for not explaining increasing navigation and decision complexity with multiple jumps, or you weren't paying attention when they reviewed that information with you.

I should add that I'm pretty sure I know your instructor, and that he would have gone over this basic principle with you.
 
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multiple jumps doesn't make a dive any more complex; it may add steps to the dive, but not complexity. It is that first jump that adds complexity; a jump is a jump, it doesn't matter weather or not it is jump one or four. As far as navigation is concerned, if you can't follow the lines out after making x# of jumps you should not have made any jumps at all. Once you are capable of making a single jump you are capable of making multiple jumps; now weather or not you are comfortable with making multiple jumps is a different story.
 
Every time you make a navigational decision, you have introduced a new opportunity for error into your dive, a new variable, and have thus added complexity. So 2 jumps is more complex than 1 jump, 3 jumps is more complex than 2, etc. There are a lot of things that can happen when you add jumps. A dive w/ one jump is (almost) always going to lead you back the main line. You find gold, and you are likely home free. That is much different than being 3 to 4 jumps into a system, with the potential of jumping back and forth between lines that are marked for different directions, etc. Saying one jump is the same as 2,3,4 is like saying 1 deco gas is the same as 2 or three. Or that diving 1 stage is the same as 2, 3, etc. I'm not sure what your definition of "complex" is but for me, more variables = more complexity.
 
Well, last time I checked Apprentice divers should know what to do when markers start pointing in directions other than which they came, and should have all the training necessary to make multiple jumps.

complex - made up of complicated parts.

What is complicated about making a jump after you have been trained to do so? An added "variable?" Really? When you are trained to make jumps you are taught to eliminate those variables, or at least I was.

Tie in, make sure the exit side is clearly marked, tell your buddy to hold, tie into the line you are jumping to, and clip the reel back onto the jump line; if the line you jumped to has arrows pointing away from your jump you put a cookie on the exit side. As long as you can identify your reels, cookies, and arrows in the dark (variables eliminated), which I was taught in my basic class, the only variable left is the line breaking somewhere, which is common to any cave dive, and at worst that is a simple lost line drill which any apprentice diver should be able to do. Yes, the more lines you have the more that can break, but the chances of more than one line breaking is rather slim.

Like I said earlier, an apprentice diver has all the training necessary to do multiple jumps, weather or not that diver is comfortable with doing so is a different story.
 
Well, last time I checked Apprentice divers should know what to do when markers start pointing in directions other than which they came, and should have all the training necessary to make multiple jumps.

complex - made up of complicated parts.

What is complicated about making a jump after you have been trained to do so? An added "variable?" Really? When you are trained to make jumps you are taught to eliminate those variables, or at least I was.

Tie in, make sure the exit side is clearly marked, tell your buddy to hold, tie into the line you are jumping to, and clip the reel back onto the jump line; if the line you jumped to has arrows pointing away from your jump you put a cookie on the exit side. As long as you can identify your reels, cookies, and arrows in the dark (variables eliminated), which I was taught in my basic class, the only variable left is the line breaking somewhere, which is common to any cave dive, and at worst that is a simple lost line drill which any apprentice diver should be able to do. Yes, the more lines you have the more that can break, but the chances of more than one line breaking is rather slim.

Like I said earlier, an apprentice diver has all the training necessary to do multiple jumps, weather or not that diver is comfortable with doing so is a different story.

Well then, sounds like you have it all figured out. I wish I could have figured out all of this stuff at your level, I would have saved myself a lot of time and money. Best of luck to you.

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Diving 2 night dives and 2 day deep dives in West Palm Beach with my LDS (JnD Scuba) and Diving Solutions! I can't wait. The first night dive will be my 100th dive!!!!! Yes!!!! Little nervous about the night dives since this is the first time we'll be doing a night drift dive! Wishing everyone safe diving!
 
I did a dive out to Vegas , does that count? (EEK)
Hey , if anyone does anything this next weekend , I am looking for a buddy , buddies :D :D :D

I wish people wouldn't argue ... (sigh)
But that's just me , the non-professional that I am.

Beano

P.S. Here for two days already and have NOT GAMBLED yet.
 
you lucky dogs.... I can't wait till I get my cave certification. Just out of curiosity how deep is the hill 400? and the white room? and does any one have any pics of it?
 
The other day I posted on this thread in error, didin't notice the cave diving until today. I am so sorry! I didn't mean to spam your thread with open water diving!!!

Thanks for your understanding and patience.
 
you lucky dogs.... I can't wait till I get my cave certification. Just out of curiosity how deep is the hill 400? and the white room? and does any one have any pics of it?

The entire cave (yeah, except for that recently explored part WAY in the back) is between 85 and 95 feet, 100 in a few areas. White Room is a bit shallower (80ish).

The Hill 400 line is about 90ft, but slopes up to 75 before tracking back down to 90ish.

AJ
 
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