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I am hoping for ideas about getting my 20 year old son interested enough to study diving. He is not timid or scared, but he recognised that it is a lot to learn, and hasn't stepped up yet. Since he is studying robotics, I am looking a what kind of Underwater robot kits are available that he build and then can snorkel with.
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That might work.
I don't know your son and I mean no disrespect...:
A more totally inappropriate simplistic approach might work better for a 20 year old guy. You know like the destination brochure / website of the gorgeous location with the equally gorgeous dive instructors...
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That is if you meant taking an OW or following class... if you meant studying it as part boffins a serious subject in university ... like scientific whatnot...
... yeah, whom are we kidding... might work there too...
 
I'm glad you get it.
You know what's up. Hahaha!

I edited that, because I didn't want anyone reading this to take it the wrong way.

But, as you know....that stuff is MOTIVATION. Lol!
 
Agree with your whole post and the above excerpt. Over the years I notice that when she works on it, it does get better. Right now she is working on it. A real swim coach would be great... and I know one of one would be best because three years ago or so she did an adult group class... where just as luck would have it she was the best swimmer by far, barely managing one 25 yard lane... She ended up not getting much better and disillusioned about taking a class....

A one-on-one swim class is very different & could help. If it's just the instructor working with her, then he could gauge her ability & work to strengthen her weakness while improving her confidence.

Is "there" really being able to swim 300 yards or whatever the number was with no or a really long time limit... possibly in a pool shallow enough to stand in?
If I was a scuba instructor I'd feel more comfortable if this was shown in deeper water...
But a good nurturing instructor, I am sure could build on that minimal foundation while encouraging improvements along the way ... in a wonderfully motivating synergy (hey, hubby can dream...) But a scuba puppy mill .... not sure if she'd make it or be broken...

The dive classes aren't usually done in a pool shallow enough to stand in at least the ones I'm familiar with. I also don't think that a group dive class is the way for your wife to go. Far better to do a one-on-one class with a patient instructor who can cater his teaching to your wife. But I want to reiterate about diver panic. Even expert divers have been struck by panic. Some have gotten hurt & some have died. Sometimes, these were in unusual circumstances...like when I was sucked down into a whirlpool. I am not a panicky person so it shocked me to forget a lot of my training in a blind panic while repeating in my head--don't panic, panic kills divers, you're panicking so now you'll die. Sometimes, the circumstances where divers panicked were quite mundane. I totally get wanting to encourage your wife, but maybe a better way to do that is with fantastic snorkel conditions where the chance of accident/death is fairly slim. There are lots of places where you/your son could dive, your wife/daughter could snorkel & top side activities could be enjoyed by all.
 
No below water mask clearing yet.
You know, Judy might have been where I discovered above water flooded mask exercises. In fact, I'm sure of it and it's a standard part of my OW course. Go into a kiddie pool... no deeper than her waist... with only a mask. No snorkel, no fins or other complications: just the mask. Have her bend over an put on her mask in the water so that the mask is full of water and then stand right up. She can keep her eyes closed. She can sit on the steps. She can do anything to make herself comfortable. Now ask her about her day. Ask her about little Timmy's performance in school. Hold a conversation with her. Hold her hand, if it helps. Repeat a few times, keeping the flooded mask on her face but her mouth in air. In my OW classes it's usually only after two or three minutes as they learn how to breathe and speak with a face full of water. Yes, I've had to spread this over two/three pool sessions and in that case, I keep it to five minutes or less per session. No need to stress them out. When you're sure that she is comfortable, tell her a joke. I tell the mermaid joke: Why does a mermaid wear seashells? B shells are too small. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. Almost every adult 'snorts' through their nose at this joke and they inadvertently clear their mask. If the eyes are closed, tell them to open their eyes. Walla. We keep repeating until they are comfortable talking with a flooded mask and can then clear it with a single try. During this exercise, I watch how the water comes out of the mask. You really can't see it easily under water. I can see if the mask is too tight, if they will need to press on the top of their mask or use another strategy. It's also the time to get them to look slightly up as they clear their mask. Once they are comfortable with that, we continue while floating on the surface. I don't care if the top of the mask breaches the surface. Once they can do this with little or no effort, I graduate them to the big pool and we start on trim and neutral buoyancy.

Why does this work? For a number of nervous Nellies, putting them on Scuba or even a snorkel with a mask full of water is simply too much too fast. Putting a flooded mask on their face with all the air in the world to breathe reduces their task loading to just one thing: not breathing water in through their nose. Just one. They don't have to deal with breathing through a tube... just through their mask without sucking in any through their nose by closing their soft palette. Since I can't always spot the diver who's going to have this issue, I put everyone through this exercise before we get on Scuba. No need to traumatize anyone, and this actually speeds up the entire class when we start clearing masks under water. Since I've gone to this I've never had a single person bolt to the surface on their first UW mask clear. Not one.
 
@Schwaeble I've told you my story of getting over my fears. I'm taking things gradually. Hit my max personal depth of 42 ft yesterday. Spent a lot of pool time over the winter (in scuba gear) getting comfortable. A lot of exposure is the key for me now. I had 5 dives over the weekend (including buoyancy class) and I'll be diving both days this coming weekend if the weather cooperates. I'll go over 25 dives this weekend. This is all cold(er), lower viz diving (the most viz I've had so far this season was 35 ft Saturday).

Slow and steady wins the race. If the pool you're swimming in now isn't deep, perhaps take your wife to a pool a deep end and see how she does.
 
Wish I could figure out how to get my OH to dive - hates water on her face with a passion (even a shower). Would love her to experience just one dive/snorkel but I think it is never going to happen.
 
... We understand the requirements (float this long, swim this far...) that seem to vary a bit from Agency to Agency (with time limit for the swim or w/o, with wetsuit (= flotation aid) or without... how long, how far, skin dive or not...) and from what I can tell from instructor to instructor....

- a way for instructor and wife and me to determine whether she is ready to do that before we drive or pay for flights etc.

Swim lessons.

I was, until quite recently, a terrible swimmer. I had a series of lessons in my youth which helped somewhat. I didn't have any real trouble passing the swim test before I started the open water diver class, but I couldn't do any of the standard strokes and was slow. After a year of diving I decided that this is something I wanted to fix, because with rivers, and currents, and canoes, and the other things I do in the water, sometimes speed makes the difference between being able to get there or not.

I joined Lifetime Fitness and paid for 1:1 swim lessons with one of their coaches last winter. It was not inexpensive. I spent a lot of time in the pool, about 25 hours over a period of several months, including 6 hours with my instructor. At the conclusion of which I swam a 100 yard medley. I'm not going to win any races but I know I can do a sprint across a current now if I need to.

The guy I was taking lessons from is in his late 20s and does this for a living, and he's good at it. In contrast to the college kids some places use, who are trying to make a few bucks over the summer, whose instructional skills are variable, and whose experience is nonexistent. You get what you pay for.

Now, your wife's goals are different, but I think that the same sort of individualized swim instruction would help her, if she's willing to put in the time and money.
 
A one-on-one swim class is very different & could help. If it's just the instructor working with her, then he could gauge her ability & work to strengthen her weakness while improving her confidence.



The dive classes aren't usually done in a pool shallow enough to stand in at least the ones I'm familiar with. I also don't think that a group dive class is the way for your wife to go. Far better to do a one-on-one class with a patient instructor who can cater his teaching to your wife. But I want to reiterate about diver panic. Even expert divers have been struck by panic. Some have gotten hurt & some have died. Sometimes, these were in unusual circumstances...like when I was sucked down into a whirlpool. I am not a panicky person so it shocked me to forget a lot of my training in a blind panic while repeating in my head--don't panic, panic kills divers, you're panicking so now you'll die. Sometimes, the circumstances where divers panicked were quite mundane. I totally get wanting to encourage your wife, but maybe a better way to do that is with fantastic snorkel conditions where the chance of accident/death is fairly slim. There are lots of places where you/your son could dive, your wife/daughter could snorkel & top side activities could be enjoyed by all.
You do have a valid point.
And we may end up conceding that.
After trying however... I hope not without trying.
 
You know, Judy might have been where I discovered above water flooded mask exercises. In fact, I'm sure of it and it's a standard part of my OW course. Go into a kiddie pool... no deeper than her waist... with only a mask. No snorkel, no fins or other complications: just the mask. Have her bend over an put on her mask in the water so that the mask is full of water and then stand right up. She can keep her eyes closed. She can sit on the steps. She can do anything to make herself comfortable. Now ask her about her day. Ask her about little Timmy's performance in school. Hold a conversation with her. Hold her hand, if it helps. Repeat a few times, keeping the flooded mask on her face but her mouth in air. In my OW classes it's usually only after two or three minutes as they learn how to breathe and speak with a face full of water. Yes, I've had to spread this over two/three pool sessions and in that case, I keep it to five minutes or less per session. No need to stress them out. When you're sure that she is comfortable, tell her a joke. I tell the mermaid joke: Why does a mermaid wear seashells? B shells are too small. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. Almost every adult 'snorts' through their nose at this joke and they inadvertently clear their mask. If the eyes are closed, tell them to open their eyes. Walla. We keep repeating until they are comfortable talking with a flooded mask and can then clear it with a single try. During this exercise, I watch how the water comes out of the mask. You really can't see it easily under water. I can see if the mask is too tight, if they will need to press on the top of their mask or use another strategy. It's also the time to get them to look slightly up as they clear their mask. Once they are comfortable with that, we continue while floating on the surface. I don't care if the top of the mask breaches the surface. Once they can do this with little or no effort, I graduate them to the big pool and we start on trim and neutral buoyancy.

Why does this work? For a number of nervous Nellies, putting them on Scuba or even a snorkel with a mask full of water is simply too much too fast. Putting a flooded mask on their face with all the air in the world to breathe reduces their task loading to just one thing: not breathing water in through their nose. Just one. They don't have to deal with breathing through a tube... just through their mask without sucking in any through their nose by closing their soft palette. Since I can't always spot the diver who's going to have this issue, I put everyone through this exercise before we get on Scuba. No need to traumatize anyone, and this actually speeds up the entire class when we start clearing masks under water. Since I've gone to this I've never had a single person bolt to the surface on their first UW mask clear. Not one.
Thanks. That will be tried!
@Schwaeble I've told you my story of getting over my fears. I'm taking things gradually. Hit my max personal depth of 42 ft yesterday. Spent a lot of pool time over the winter (in scuba gear) getting comfortable. A lot of exposure is the key for me now. I had 5 dives over the weekend (including buoyancy class) and I'll be diving both days this coming weekend if the weather cooperates. I'll go over 25 dives this weekend. This is all cold(er), lower viz diving (the most viz I've had so far this season was 35 ft Saturday).

Slow and steady wins the race. If the pool you're swimming in now isn't deep, perhaps take your wife to a pool a deep end and see how she does.
Thanks.
You go girl!
Oh, and keep inspiring my wife, which you do BTW... she cam imagine your uphill battle and admires your drive to get to where you want to be anyway.
 
Wish I could figure out how to get my OH to dive - hates water on her face with a passion (even a shower). Would love her to experience just one dive/snorkel but I think it is never going to happen.
Yeah. I so understand.
Not sure I'd have any good advice about water on the face. Tough one.
 

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