What makes a master diver?

[stevewirl]

shareing is careing

 

[fisheyeview]

I'd prefer the tricks that the agencies haven't figured out yet.

Like roll over, heel, stay & fetch?

 

[Walter]

hey the ymca master program is nothing more than at least 25 dives w instructor, some deep dives and some theory

edit
to clarify, you dont need any dives other than the 3ow, 2ow2, 5aow, 5saow, 10gmd

so you can do them all together and come out as a msd with 25 dives, all supervised

You have obviously never read the requirements.

There is a tad more than "some theory" required.

Required Classroom for the Gold Master Diver Program:

1. Advanced dive tables and decompression planning.
2. Accident management.
3. Physics theory.
4. Diving physiology theory
5. Equipment mechanics.
6. Medical aspects.
7. Environmental awareness.

Prerequisites include Silver Advanced certification or equivalent (only the LA County Advanced Diver Program would qualify as equivalent)

Silver Advanced required classroom includes Equipment Maintenance, navigation, night, limited visibility, deep, boating safety, environment and a CPR rating is required. 10 dives are required for Silver Advanced, not 5. There are several required skills in open water including making an entry without a mask and donning it underwater. The mask must be removed and replaced again between 50 and 80 feet of depth.

To complete the Gold Master Diver course, the student must be certified SLAM (SCUBA Lifesaving and Accident Management), First Aid, CPR, and O2 provider.

The 10 required dives include at least 2 dives to 100 ft, two while wearing either a wet suit or a dry suit, 2 night or limited vis (0 - 2 ft) and dives in both fresh and salt water.

In open water, the student must swim (no gear) 200 yds, dive to 10 ft (no stopping allowed) recover a 3 lb weight and hold it on the surface for at least 2 minutes.

Hold breath underwater for 20 seconds, surface for 10 seconds, repeat.

Snorkel 400 yds, surface dive to 30 ft.

Wearing full SCUBA, snorkel 300 yds

Simulate rescue of diver from 50 ft, hold on the surface for 2 minutes

At 20 ft, swim on SCUBA without a mask at least 25 yds

Navigate a triangle with legs at least 100 ft long, marking each point with a surface marker. Must return to within 20 ft of the starting point.

Plan & execute a simulated decompression dive.

Remove and replace mask & regulator while between 80 & 100 ft.

It's just a little more than "nothing more than at least 25 dives w instructor, some deep dives and some theory."

 

[josh]

Once again another miss informed post. You might want to read my post before jumping to conclusions.

Read my posts, you will find I quoted you accurately and in context.

Last time I checked, Divemasters pay annual dues. Please show me *anything* that says you can pick and choose the times when you are a divemaster, or not a divemaster. As far as I recall a Divemaster is expected to display "Ethical role model behaviour", and I do not see any caveat that says "when it suits them".

Deliberately attempting to lose a tagging along diver can in no way be considered "Ethical role model behaviour". At the least, for the newbie diver, she will get the impresion that "Divemasters" are, well, you can work it out.

You might like to look at it in terms of what position you would have been in if something had happened to that diver after you had "deliberately" lost her underwater. Say that diver had not surfaced? You might try to claim that the newbie was not your responsibility - good luck. You are supposed to be a *professional* level diver.

The fact that you were not aware of the instructions that diver had before the dive to me makes no difference - its your in water actions that I find deplorable.

I did take it up with the crew once I was back on the boat.

The only thing you did right.

-j-

 

[Walter]

You might like to look at it in terms of what position you would have been in if something had happened to that diver after you had "deliberately" lost her underwater. Say that diver had not surfaced? You might try to claim that the newbie was not your responsibility - good luck. You are supposed to be a *professional* level diver.

There was no agreement for this diver to be his buddy. In a similar situation, I would assume this diver was diving solo and just happened to be in the same area. I would be correct. If the diver was in distress, I would assist, but up until that happened, I would ignore her or if she were bothering me, I would lose her if at all possible. With no agreement, there is no responsibility.

 

[Tigerman]

So in other words a doctor dont have any obligation to help you if you have a stroke next to him, if the doctor is not on duty? Ok...

 

[Zieg]

So in other words a doctor dont have any obligation to help you if you have a stroke next to him, if the doctor is not on duty? Ok...

Please get realistic. Now you are comparing apples and oranges. I don't believe any Dive Master has ever taken any kind of Hippocratic Oath.

 

[Walter]

So in other words a doctor dont have any obligation to help you if you have a stroke next to him, if the doctor is not on duty? Ok...

The doctor is under no obligation to let me follow him around in case I happen to have a stroke.

 

[Thalassamania]

So in other words a doctor dont have any obligation to help you if you have a stroke next to him, if the doctor is not on duty? Ok...

Legally, no duty in either case. Morality is a personal issue the Hippocratic Oath died long ago (or I'd go Med school and get care for free).

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Read my posts, you will find I quoted you accurately and in context.

Last time I checked, Divemasters pay annual dues. Please show me *anything* that says you can pick and choose the times when you are a divemaster, or not a divemaster. As far as I recall a Divemaster is expected to display "Ethical role model behaviour", and I do not see any caveat that says "when it suits them".

Deliberately attempting to lose a tagging along diver can in no way be considered "Ethical role model behaviour". At the least, for the newbie diver, she will get the impresion that "Divemasters" are, well, you can work it out.

You might like to look at it in terms of what position you would have been in if something had happened to that diver after you had "deliberately" lost her underwater. Say that diver had not surfaced? You might try to claim that the newbie was not your responsibility - good luck. You are supposed to be a *professional* level diver.

The fact that you were not aware of the instructions that diver had before the dive to me makes no difference - its your in water actions that I find deplorable.

-j-

Well, you're welcome to your opinion ... but in terms of the "ethical behavior" argument, you are wrong. There was no prior knowledge, nor prior agreement, that this person join his dive team. He was not acting in a professional capacity, and had no obligation whatsoever to do so. His status as divemaster is irrelevent ... his responsibility is solely to the person or persons he agreed to dive with.

You are confusing two situations with respect to ethical behavior ... that of a concentual agreement and that of an emergency situation. In the latter, any dive professional would have an ethical obligation as well as (depending on local laws) a legal one to assist to the best of their ability. But there was no emergency here. Therefore there was no obligation.

You may, personally, find the behavior "deplorable" ... but as a dive professional there was no obligation, because there was no emergency.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)