What is exact outcome of AOW courses?

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Hi all, I'm about to take the PADI AOW course. The outcomes of the individual parts are not clear to me. It seems there are specialties which have little effect on the safety of diving, like photography, search and recovery, marine life identification, perhaps buoyancy, which boat operators never ask about or deny passage without. Navigation is helpful but they don't ask about that. Deep dive is their concern so they ask for an AOW certification for deeper dives. Good to 100 feet? But there is also a dedicated Deep Dive course that explains and rehearses much more than AOW covers? So I need to pursue that course, too? Nitrox is another specialty but does it result in a nitrox certification allowing the purchase of nitrox? The wreck specialty allows you to look at a wreck but not enter? That's another separate course? Thanks for your input and clarification.
 
The Padi AOW course is a taste of various things. Think of it as a sampler platter instead of a full course. If you want to later do a full course in something, if you did that dive as part of your AOW you have dive #1 completed of that course. The AOW only gives you the AOW (as part of PADI).

You have to do the deep and navigation dives but the rest is up to the dive shop.
 
Hi all, I'm about to take the PADI AOW course. The outcomes of the individual parts are not clear to me. It seems there are specialties which have little effect on the safety of diving, like photography, search and recovery, marine life identification, perhaps buoyancy, which boat operators never ask about or deny passage without. Navigation is helpful but they don't ask about that. Deep dive is their concern so they ask for an AOW certification for deeper dives. Good to 100 feet? But there is also a dedicated Deep Dive course that explains and rehearses much more than AOW covers? So I need to pursue that course, too? Nitrox is another specialty but does it result in a nitrox certification allowing the purchase of nitrox? The wreck specialty allows you to look at a wreck but not enter? That's another separate course? Thanks for your input and clarification.

AOW does not certify you to deeper depths than OW. AOW trains for deeper depths.
OW is already certified to the recreational depth limit which is 130 feet or 40m
Dive shops and dive ops or guides can say they will limit any diver to depths. I've been on dives where the guides tell all the divers regardless of certification they do not want divers exceeding 100ft.

60ft for OW and 100ft for AOW only apply to the limits an instructor may take a student doing the course.

Navigation is good to do. Nitrox is a separate certification and there are OW divers who are nitrox certified. Depending on the gas mix Nitrox can also be used to 130ft

Think of the diving you may want to do and choose specialties from that. Photography course may also teach you more about buoyancy control. When doing super macro video or photography you need as little movement as possible. For sure do a night dive.

 
Hi all, I'm about to take the PADI AOW course. The outcomes of the individual parts are not clear to me. It seems there are specialties which have little effect on the safety of diving, like photography, search and recovery, marine life identification, perhaps buoyancy, which boat operators never ask about or deny passage without. Navigation is helpful but they don't ask about that. Deep dive is their concern so they ask for an AOW certification for deeper dives. Good to 100 feet? But there is also a dedicated Deep Dive course that explains and rehearses much more than AOW covers? So I need to pursue that course, too? Nitrox is another specialty but does it result in a nitrox certification allowing the purchase of nitrox? The wreck specialty allows you to look at a wreck but not enter? That's another separate course? Thanks for your input and clarification.
PADI AOW is limited to 30m.
PADI Deep Specialty is 40m and is a different course.
I believe PADI has stated very clearly in its standard.


Why don't you send the question to PADI yourself?
 
AOW does not certify you to deeper depths than OW. AOW trains for deeper depths.
OW is already certified to the recreational depth limit which is 130 feet or 40m
Dive shops and dive ops or guides can say they will limit any diver to depths. I've been on dives where the guides tell all the divers regardless of certification they do not want divers exceeding 100ft.

60ft for OW and 100ft for AOW only apply to the limits an instructor may take a student doing the course.

Navigation is good to do. Nitrox is a separate certification and there are OW divers who are nitrox certified. Depending on the gas mix Nitrox can also be used to 130ft

Think of the diving you may want to do and choose specialties from that. Photography course may also teach you more about buoyancy control. When doing super macro video or photography you need as little movement as possible.

True. But the problem is that divecenters often make the 20m or 30m as a strickt limit. And sometimes it is because they want to sell cards.
I have seen such a lot of strange things in my life. A normoxic ex-student (was certified by me for normoxic, so 60m) called me from Malta that he needed: a deep diver cert, and a boatdiver cert. If I could sign this off for him. I just laughed and said: Your normoxic is more than a deep diver cert. And a boatdiver cert is never required. He did not have a deep diver cert as you can also accept students at the instructors discretion, he had done before the course a lot of deep dives.

I have had another friend who entered a padi diveclub. He was a cmas 3*/dm diver, I certified him. He needed: night diving, deep diving and diving in currents. But all these things are part of the divemaster course. You need to GUIDE a night dive, you need to guide in a place with current. And the cmas 3* is a 60m on air cert. So all is covered in this cert. CMAS has no night diving or deep diving as specialty here, it is in the 2* and 3*. So you cannot get a card for it.

I have had a diver who did a full cave course with me in a drysuit (like all divers do). The diver went for work to Iceland and wanted to dive the Sifra. Diver came with his own drysuit. But needed a drysuit cert or a proof signed by an instructor that at least 20 dives were done in a drysuit. So I answered the mail with pictures of the diver diving in a drysuit in a cave during the cave course and wrote that there were more than 20 dives done in a drysuit. This was not accepted because it was electronically and not on paper in a logbook. This means the divecenter just wanted to sell a course and has nothing to do with safety.

I needed for something a nightdivercert while I was already a full cave diver (and cmas 3*). I just laughed very loudly and said that there is no more darkness than in caves. Then paying for just the plastic card was enough, 100 bucks. I refused and walked a door further.

So a lot of things or rules have nothing to do with safety, just with wanting to earn more money.

I don't say that nightdiving courses or drysuit courses are ********, but they are not for every diver needed. Same with sidemount.

So do your aow, don't do the 5 specialties completely (that costs more money than needed), and some doors will open without discussion. Do the AOW course as soons as possible after OW is my advice. I see too often that open water divers are not seen as real divers. Navigation, and deep are required, the rest is up to you and maybe the divecenter. So see it as 5 experience divers where you can build experience and then build the experience on your own further. Photography or biology are options, you are in the water for another dive (I hope at least 60 minutes), so build experience by just being in the water. A good instructor will help you with bouyancy and trim during all dives of the course.

And a lot of divecenters have to learn that also the open water diver must be a diver that can dive without guide with another open water diver as buddy. Here the biggest problem starts. A lot of divers after their open water cert are afraid of diving on their own. Same with AOW divers. I have seen divers with over 300 dives that only have learned to follow a guide and survive under water, but never learned diving.
The industry has to change here in my opinion.
And before you start a DM course, you need to have done some solodives. Not that you need to be a real solodiver, but if you start guiding, you are solodiving for up to 9 people. If you don't trust yourself alone under water, why do you think you can help others?
 
At the end of the day it is the operator who sets the rules not PADI or similar agency.
Once you had signed the liability release form......
 
True. But the problem is that divecenters often make the 20m or 30m as a strickt limit. And sometimes it is because they want to sell cards.

This. But very few. At some places they have a mix of divers. Most will give a guide to experienced divers for deeper dives. Many places will see lots of deep dives on my DC and go fair enough you can do deeper dives. But I always ask first.

Never have I been asked for a boat diving cert or a night dive certification ( is there one ? )
That question was asked on this board before when someone asked did they need a night dive cert to do a night dive. One of my dive buddies who is a PADI instructor was told on a LOB in Egypt that he could not do a deep dive as he didnt have a PADI deep certificate. He pulled out his TDI ANDP card from 2002. They didn't know what it was but it said 45m so they let him on the deeper than 30m dives.

I loved going to PADI dive centers in the Philippines in the from 1987 - 1990's. They would ask me for a certification. I pull out my BSAC log books and BSAC sports diving cert. PADI center guys would be... wtf is this DECO in your logs... DECO is dangerous we don't do Deco dives. And PAID is 40m max.. I would nonchalantly reply BSAC was to 50m on air for deco lol The apoplectic looks you would get from PADI people was funny. These were nice people just really not aware of anything outside of PADI till later on. IT's not like you had the internet to look things up on.
 
Deep Specialty can be useful if the operator stick with the training standard. I had came across coupe of those who limited AOW to 30m MAX and permitted Deep Specialty qualification to 40m.
I have been carried IANTD Tec Nitrox card since 1999 because I am certified to dive to 51m and can use any nitrox mix up to 100%.
 
Hi all, I'm about to take the PADI AOW course. The outcomes of the individual parts are not clear to me. .

The outcome is that you get 4 or 5 additional dives, with the introduction of a few new skills, under the supervision of an instructor, along with a shiny new certification card.
That's what you get. If you are looking for something else, you will be back here on SB bad mouthing the AOW class.

The ancillary benefits are that you may meet more people in your area that are more serious about diving than the average OW student, and may decide what specialties interest you.
 
You may want to actually read the PADI descriptions of AOW.....


Hi all, I'm about to take the PADI AOW course
Why?
It seems there are specialties which have little effect on the safety of diving, like photography, search and recovery, marine life identification, perhaps buoyancy, which boat operators never ask about or deny passage without.
Please distinguish between "specialties" and the single dives of a full specialty course that are all that AOW has. AOW allows you to sample various topics to see what interests you. Because training beyond 20m and Navigation are so important, AOW includes one dive from each of those specialties. It also allows you to choose some other topics that may or may not be relalted to diver safety.
Navigation is helpful but they don't ask about that.
It is included and required. Do your homework.
Deep dive is their concern so they ask for an AOW certification for deeper dives.
Who is "they?"
But there is also a dedicated Deep Dive course that explains and rehearses much more than AOW covers?
Yes....the Deep full specialty is 4 dives.....AOW on;y has one on that topic.
Nitrox is another specialty but does it result in a nitrox certification allowing the purchase of nitrox?
No. But you don't need to do any dives for a Nitrox certification.
The wreck specialty allows you to look at a wreck but not enter?
Yes....unless it is dive #4 of the full specialty in which case penetration may be allowed, depending on the student, the instructor, the wreck, and the conditions.
 

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