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What increments do you add or subtract weight?

If you use a balance scale to weight the weights at a resort in Cozumel, Bonaire, Curacao or the Florida keys what are you going to do with the results? What is the tolerance on a weight +/- some %? That said I have taken a 4lbs soft weight back to the dive op that weighed less than a 3lbs weight, it must have lost some shot.

There are two factors that influence my perceived obsession with ideal buoyancy that may be foreign to many people on Scubaboard. First is Abalone, which can only be taken freediving from Northern California’s 50° ocean. Freediving too buoyant wastes a lot of energy, thus your bottom time, and too heavy is dangerous. There is a lot of displacement change to a 7mm freediving wetsuit with farmer, jacket, and attached hood. I need 22 Lbs at 33’, 24 Lbs at 20’, 26 Lbs at 12’, and 28 Lbs at 8’. Second, I learned to dive before BCs so you had to dial your weight in pretty close. I maintain that preference for perfect buoyancy, which is easier with minimum air in your BC.

How I adjust Buoyancy:
I use 1, 2, 3, and 5 Lb weights for adjustments so getting within 1 Lb is easy. I use two methods which are quick and accurate, but don’t work worth spit shore diving. These methods do work in a swimming pool or off a pier. Add just under 3% to a fresh water test for salt water.

If I am solo, I lower a testing rig over the side of my kayak. The rig has a stainless O-ring with a several pieces of small line about 3’ long with weights attached. The line from the surface is marked for different target depths. I lower the rig to the depth I want to be neutral, put on less lead than I estimate is needed, and pull myself down the line. At that point, I start picking up different weights until I am neutral. If in Scuba, I already know how much more lead to add to account for empty tanks (test are at the start of the dive with full tanks). I add those weights to pockets or string them onto a second belt (also attached to the O-ring) if it is more than a few pounds.

Off a boat is much easier. I have one of those digital fish scales — around $10, accurate to 1 Oz/30 grams, and is also good for weighing luggage. I hang 20-30 Lbs over the side from the scale pull myself to the target depth. A friend reads the change in weight on the scale, which tells me how heavy or light I am. Again, I can almost always adjust for full/empty based on my buoyancy log.

I use 10’/my shallowest decompression stop in Scuba, unless I am inspecting a hull or hunting just under a kelp canopy. Target depth for freediving is 33’ or working depth, whichever is shallower.

One thing I have noticed is it is best to swim around a little at depth before testing, even in drysuits. Getting all the trapped air out of your wetsuit and pockets is one reason, but there is a surprising amount of air adhering to everything due to surface tension. Obviously, performing the test at different target depths is not necessary in a drysuit.

The OP’s (Original Poster) question was about calculating weight change in cylinders. I use these conversions for this and many other diving related calculations in a spreadsheet. Since I am not burdened with remembering the conversions or performing the more laborious arithmetic, I see no good reason not to use the highest precision that might remotely be useful. If all you care about is estimating how much lead to use on a vacation don’t bother. If you are carrying a pair of twin 130s plus two 80 Ft³ stage bottles you need to have a pretty good idea how much your buoyancy will change.
 
Your process is sound but I quibble a little with the actual value. There is a lot of variation of the weight of atmospheric air, due mostly to water vapor and particulate contaminates. Most of that is removed by Scuba air compressors so I find these numbers correspond a little closer:

Gas Weights
Nitrogen Density: Source: Nitrogen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1.251 g/L
35.42437509 g/Ft³
0.016101989 Lb/Ft³

Oxygen Density: Source: Argon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1.429 g/L
40.46477378 g/Ft³
0.018393079 Lb/Ft³

Air Density, Calculated 21% Oxygen and 79% Nitrogen
1.28838 g/L
0.016583118 Lb/Ft³
I have a question: where does 0.016 (give or take) pounds per cubic foot come from? I use 0.075, give or take, at SATP (1 atmosphere, 70 degrees F).

Best regards,
Bryan

PS. I'm pretty sure you meant to link to Oxygen, not Argon, in the second link.
 
I have a question: where does 0.016 (give or take) pounds per cubic foot come from? I use 0.075, give or take, at SATP (1 atmosphere, 70 degrees F)…

[-]Let’s see if I can make this understandable with my limited formatting skills.
  1. 0.016101989 Lbs of N2/Ft³
  2. x 0.79 N2 % in Air
  3. 0.012720571 Lbs of N2 in 1 Ft³ of air
  4. ------------------------------------
  5. 0.018393079 Lbs of O2/Ft³
  6. x 0.21 O2 % in Air
  7. 0.003862547 Lbs of O2 in 1 Ft³ of air
  8. ------------------------------------
  9. 0.016583118 Lb/Ft³ Calculated 21/79%, line 3 + line 7
[/-]Air has not been a weight-critical component in my work so far but someday I may expand the calculation based on:
Edit: Aggh! I recently upgraded Microsoft Office and all the macros I depended on are now dead. Sorry for the error, I will post the correction after tracking down the error. My apologies.

Air Makeup by Volume
Source: What is the weight of 1 cubic foot of air?
Gas: Percentage:
Nitrogen: 78.03%
Oxygen: 20.99%
Argon: 0.93%
Carbon Dioxide: 0.03%
Neon: 0.0018%
Helium: 0.0005%
Krypton: 0.0001%
Hydrogen: 0.00005%
Xenon: 0.000009%
Total: 99.98%​
…PS. I'm pretty sure you meant to link to Oxygen, not Argon, in the second link.

Good catch, I corrected it in my spreadsheet. Thanks.
 
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Your formatting is fine, but your numbers are way off.

Air weighs about 0.075 pounds per cubic foot at 70F and 1atm, just like Bryan St. Germain said.

The roughly 1.3g/liter you posted is in the right ballpark in metric units.
454g per pound and about 28.3 liters per cubic foot, so....

1.288g/l * 1 pound/454g * 28.3l/1 cu ft = 1.3/454*28.4 = 0.08 lbs/cu ft.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/air-desity-specific-weight-d_600.html

Your starting numbers for density of N2 and O2 in imperial units are incorrect.
 
OK, in MHO the simple way:
Jump in the water with full tanks.
For drysuit adjust weight until when holding a normal breath water is at eye level. Or, with a wetsuit do the "I can still get down when exhaling) test.
Then add 2.5Kg to compensate for air used assuming that at the end of a safety stop you have 30 bar left and taking into account that you have your lungs to compensate for minor differences (+/- 0.5Kg / 1.1 pound). You will find that 2.5Kg works for 10 to 15 liter cylinders, assuming an in-water fill/start pressure of 200 bar (10 degrees C / 50F).
 

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