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VHF 100%, I have done two sunken boat rescues just because I was in the right place at the right time. I was within a couple of miles of our local harbor both times and a quick click on the mike and a few words and the harbor patrol was in-route. VHF even a portable is the only thing reach for in an emergency. I dont trust the cell sites and coverage as much as some I guess.
Bill
 
1) Yes you NEED VHF. Cell phone may not even work in the ocean. Also how would you know the phone number of that boat you can see 2 miles away? You ask for help on VHF and everyone within miles will hear you.

Unless the cell phone is saltwater proof it will be usless. Test it first. try dunking it in a bucket of saltwater. ( no don't even try it. the smallest amuntof seawater will destroy a phone but the VHF will withstand a dunking

Handhelds are OK but for the same price you can get a fixed mount radoi with more power.
Prices start at about $150. On my boat I have both and I use both. The hand held unit has very short range, my fixed mount can do 20+ miles

Doyou know the list of _required_ saftey equipment and lighting requirements. The CG does stop and board boats for inspection. Make sure you do cary all the required equipment and paperwork

The CG does not charge for towing, but then they will NOT tow you. They will ONLY came out if there is a life threatening emergency and then they will rescue you can leave the boat to sink or whatever. (and fine you if in sinking it makes an oil slick)

If it is a simple mechanical problem and oneones life is at risk they will dispatch a comercial tow company. You will pay them directly. A loat of boaters buy towinginsurance. It's chaep at about $100/year. One tow could cost you a lot.

If you do have a VHF turn it on to channle 16 and you can hear this going on all the time.
When a boat calls about "taking on water" the CG moves fast. If the call is "I am out of gas" they will offer to call a tow service but mostly the two service hears the call too.

If I had a RIB I'd bolt a short mast to the transum and then a short sailboat type antena to the mast and get a low cost fixed mount radio and connect it with a fuse to the 12V battery. Who knows you may have a dive acident by trapped in fog orwho knows what.

I'm sure you will also h take a GPS and a chart and the boat should have a compass
The ocean is a big place and when the wind picks up and the visabilty closes down and you can't see shore it seems really big. the being three miles out into the Pacific Ocean is not at all like being on a lake or harbor. eight foot seas are not at all uncommon in your area





bertschb:
I just bought a Zodiac RIB and plan to dive off the Oregon coast as well as the Puget Sound area. I'll never be more than 2 or 3 miles offshore. Do folks still use VHF radios or are cell phones better? In the event of an emergency, can I contact the Coast Guard directly with the cell phone? If so, do they have an 800 number? I've owned boats for years but I've never taken them in the ocean.

If VHF is recommended, are there any inexpensive handheld models available to be used only in an emergency? If I had a mechanical problem, does the Coast Guard charge a fee for a tow?

Thanks for helping a salt water newbie.

Brian
 
Great advice! Thanks

I did buy a fixed mount VHF radio with a 6' antenna. I haven't been out in the open ocean yet but I feel better knowing I have the radio.
 
Glad to hear you went with the VHF. I've experience with both handhelds and fixed radios here in Dublin bay for the last couple of seasons, in conjunction with a mobile. There is quite good coverage with the mobile signal in the bay but it is no substitute for the reliability of a VHF. Granted, the handhelds have very short range reception (literally line of sight) and for longer distances the aerial is essential. On a number of occasions the ability to have Dublin coast guard aware of the dive trips details is quite comforting when something no matter how small, even a change in weather, comes about! They also allow for easy communications for the boats if there is two or more dive vessels operating on one site, even if they're a different centre, they can still let you know when your divers come up around a headland!
 
...that you just dropped a bundle on a new boat, don't skimp now! I dive from a Zodiac Hurricane 590 RIB. I never leave shore without a built-in waterproof VHF, a handheld waterproof VHF and a cell phone. I also have a built in GPS plotter and a cheapy portable GPS under the seat... along with buckets of flares and all kinds of other crap. The handheld VHFs are nowhere near as good as the built-ins... largely a function of the antenna, but they are also generally 1/5th the power output. The handhelds are handy though, and are also a convenient way to call back to the boat if you're on shore.

The great news is that I've never used it in an emergency on my boat, but the VHF makes it easy for others to call you... something they can't do unless they have your cell number. I think that because of the type of boat I have, people often think I am Coast Guard. If I had $5 for everytime I got called/flagged down for assisitance, I'd be... well, a few bucks richer.

The cost of all of this electronics stuff is so low now that IMHO you'd be silly to leave shore without lots of it.
 
Carry both....

We have a 24ftr with Chartplotter GpS, Raymarine color finder and a perm. DSC VHF. With it interfaced, a simple transmission can send out my exact location to others. Alot of the rescue vessels can home in on a VHF transmission, but not a cell phone. We carry a cell for calling back home if we're going to be late, but that's about the extent of a cell's usefullness offshore as far as I'm concerned.

We usually monitor 16 and a local weather channel.
 
When you press the red button, your location isn't EXACT. The transmission only
carries your position to one minute of lat/long, about a mile.

And yes, the cell phone is a backup to the VHF, but it's still a good idea to have the
local CG station(s) programmed as speed dial buttons.

Also, find out what the 10-diigit number for local 911 is. Here in California, cell phone
911 goes to the CHP (Adm. Linda called it just this morning about a suspicious
character was on hold for ten minutes, and then got cut off and had to call back) who
then transfers you to local 911 for a dive emergency. But you can get through direct to
local 911 if you have their 10-digit number.
 
Chuck Tribolet:
When you press the red button, your location isn't EXACT. The transmission only
carries your position to one minute of lat/long, about a mile.[\QUOTE]

I truly didn't mean exact...lol.. but close enough if you're 12-30 miles offshore :O]
 
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Delta_P:
Nice to have a cell phone as backup, just in case the VHF unit falls overboard. (Error chains, and all that.) In Canadian waters north of you punching in *16 will connect you directly with the Rescue Co-ordination Centre in Victoria. Could be the USCG has a similar service if you check with them.
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Agreed, VHF or both.

Been a CCGA-P member for several years, very active for 'bout 3 1/2.

On a Cell phone in Canada*16 would get you the closest CCG Radio (MCTS - Marine Comm. & Traffic Station), either Cdn coast. *311 will get you the Joint Rescue Coordination Centre but only on the west coast.

I see that in the most recent telephone book #16 has now been listed for emerg reporting.
Victoria JRCC is also avail at 1.800.567.5111 or 250.363.2333
http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/sar/reporting_e.htm
http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/sar/docs/ADR_e.htm

Just read this thread which seems to indicate these may have slid over to #16 and #311 respectively. http://www.ccga-p.ca/phorum/read.php?f=3&i=219&t=219&v=f

Apparently USCG District 13 uses *24 / *CG instead but cautions on universality:
http://www.uscg.mil/d13/phone_numbers.htm

This next one seems to support a wide ranging use of *24 / *CG in the USA:
http://www.boat-ed.com/mn/course/p5-5_summoninghelp.htm
and this mildly refutes it/cautions:
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003782.html
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003739.html

Since you're in the US this may be useful for you
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/marcomms/boater.htm
also for more comparisons of VHF/Cellular(mobile) phone and good info
http://www.seatow.com/lifelines/Aug2005/ymmsi.htm
http://www.boatus.com/boattech/vhf.htm
http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/082000a.htm
http://www.marinecomputer.com/articles/promar/pmvhfdsc.html

Being a link junky this Canadian scuba site's page of safety suggestions is included:
http://neptune.iro.umontreal.ca/urgence-en.html

Cheers, JD - radio geek
 
We had an example of why VHF is better than cell phone just this past Sunday in
Monterey.

One of the commercial dive boats had a medical emergency (diver was coughing up
blood on the surface swim to the anchor line), and called the CG on the VHF 16. I was
a few hundred yards away, heard the call, and transported the patient to the dock
without waiting for the boat to recover all 20 divers. He was in the hands of EMS a
good 15 minutes earlier.
 

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