Understanding the TTL connection

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I am new to photography and trying to understand TTL. My new point and shoot camera has the TTL capability but I would need to buy a new strobe and cables. The old camera I have been using is also a point and shoot camera with a SL-960D strobe that is fired with a fiber optic cable. The intensity of the strobe is manually adjusted by a knob on the back. For me at least it has always been best guess which usually resulted in a washed out picture from too bright of a flash. I have read about TTL and really don’t have much of a grasp on it. Can someone explain it in a nutshell? From what I understand (which may be wrong) is that the TTL connection will somewhat control the intensity of the strobe. Is this correct? Is it worth it to go to TTL or would the benefit be so small I would be better off staying with my current strobe with the optic cable connection?
 
Essentially, a TTL (Through The Lens) system has a sensor in the camera body that "reads" the amount of light that falls on it and turns the strobe off when the amount of light needed for a good exposure is reached.
 
Essentially, a TTL (Through The Lens) system has a sensor in the camera body that "reads" the amount of light that falls on it and turns the strobe off when the amount of light needed for a good exposure is reached.
actually, that's how one wishes TTL works, but it is not how it works. TTL on a camera sends low intensity fre-flash(es) and us that light to meter the scene and determine how much light the strobe really has to send for a properly exposed shot. The light is measured by a separate sensor in a DSLR that is out of the light's path when the image sensor is exposed, so the pre-flash was used.

Units like the SL-960D has those pre-flash cancellation features where it won't fire on the first 1-5 pre-flashes, but you still have to control strobe's intensity. Since the strobe suppresses the camera's pre-flash(es), the metering from the pre-flash usually causes the camera to think the image lit by the pre-flash was excessively dark, thus it often sends a full burst of light when taking the picture, resulting in shortened battery life.

New models like the SL-961D interfaces with the camera the same way, but has its own light sensor so it will measure the amount of light sent out and shut it off when it senses enough light has returned. This will only work when the strobe is at the same distance to the subject as the camera and aimed at the subject. So moving the strobe farther to the subject or doing back-lighting will result in over or underexposing. Plus, since these strobes can't communicate with the camera in regards to its aperture setting, etc like land cameras. If you change the f-stop on your camera, the strobe does not know anything about it and will go about measuring the amount of light it needs to fire off as before, thus you will get an over or underexposed exposure and you have to adjust the strobe accordingly.

On a TTL capable strobe, the strobe fires off every pre-flash that the camera also fires off instead of suppressing them, in the same duration as the internal flash. The camera uses the external's pre-flash(es) to meter the image thinking it is from its own internal flash and does the same when the actual picture is taken.

Since the external strobe short duration of pre-flash (even if it flashed off for the same duration), is much brighter than the internal flash, thus a much more light was returned from the pre-flash, the camera thinks it does not need as much light from its internal flash, thus it fires off a shorter burst than it would normally do if it was just firing off its internal flash to take the same picture, resulting in the camera's batteries lasting much longer.

With TTL enabled strobe, since the camera's meter measures the strobe's intensity, you can place the strobe at different distance to the subject, like distant side lighting, aiming with just the edge of the strobe's light path brushing on the subject, multiple TTL strobes, each with different intensity, etc. If you zoom in on your subject, the metering will only be on the zoomed in subject, same as wide angle or if you add a wide angle wet lens or use a dome port. Since the metering is determined by the camera, the multitude of metering patterns provided by the camera should also apply in such situation, e.g. single small subject in dark background...if you select spot metering on the subject, then the subject would be the only thing properly exposed.
 
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That was how I understood my film cameras to work. Was I wrong or has this changed with digital gear?
 
On the SLRs, light bouncing off the film is measured by an off axis sensor behind the mirror box and when enough light has returned, the camera tells the strobe to stop firing. Since the image sensors on DSLRs are much darker than film, it is not possible to get any meaningful reflections, so they came out with the pre-flash.


I got old film topside external strobes that has TTL, but does not work on newer DSLRs for that reason....It can't fire pre-flashes. So I have to revert to letting the strobe's sensor do the metering.

You would think there could be a way to measure the total electric output from the photo sensor to determine whether enough photons has hit it to create a meaningful picture, but that hasn't happened yet.
 
Thanks, that's what I thought.
 
Your post says that is how it works for the SLR, is the same true for the point and shoot? The way I see it is I have three options with my point and shoot. One - I can go with the TTL connection. Two - I can go with the fiber optic cable. Three - I can go with an EV controller. Is one method better then the other and if so why? Maybe I should just take a digital photography class :D
 
DSLR and P&S both uses pre-flash for TTL metering. If you have a real real cheap P&S, it might not, but those are in the quality of phone cameras.

For TTL connection, it could be through a physical cord or fiber optics. Not many housings uses a physical cord to fire off a strobe, especially a compact P&S, since most cord based triggers has a hot shoe attachment, which P&S rarely has.

So for pratically purpose, you will be using a fiber optic cable to trigger the external strobe, and depending on the strobe, it will be:

One - fully manual (EV controller) (what you have)
Two - sensor on strobe (as in the 961)
Three - TTL

The advantages/disadvantages are listed above.

I would stay away from manual strobes. You would be spending too much time adjusting the EV settings every time you change distance from the subject. I think these could be had for $200

The sensor on strobe units usually go for $300-$400 and is good for general vacation divers' pictures of something interesting they see and want a picture of it for memory. Subject could be maybe 6 inches to a few ft.

The TTL strobes are for if you want to take more serious pictures such as real closeups or more accurate lighting of difficult to light subject, plus more dramatic side or top lighting, etc. These starts at around $450 and many are in the $700-$1000 range.


I started looking for a strobe a long long long time ago, when the didn't invent TTL strobes or ones wit its own meter for P&S. Only recently, when I started seeing more and more P&S cameras in the rinse bucket with strobes did I realize what I wanted finally came. I was first looking only at strobes with its own light sensors given that my camera could go only to around 8 inches from a subject and I've had tons of experience with topside external strobes that work that way. But eventually, I moved slightly up and got a TTL strobe. I also got a wide angle lens that allowed me to get extremely close to my subject.

When I used it on my trip, I spent most of my close up shots moving the strobe's position around, from the top of the camera, near the camera lens, far away from the camera, pointing directly from the top of the subject, etc. Because the camera's sensor was doing the light metering, I rarely had to worry about over/underexposing the subject even though the strobe's distance to the subject was not the same as the camera. If I had a manual strobe and strobe wth sensor, I might have had to adjust the EV setting for every shot that I moved the strobe.
 
Others have explained very well how TTL works so I will not touch on that...... I will offer some advice as when to use it and when not to use it....

TTL works very well when your entire frame is filled with subjects that will reflect light back..... For example, a fish portrait against a reef fairly close behind the subject..... close-ups is another good example. Macro can also be excellent TTL territory unless you have dual strobes and want to vary power to get creative shadowing, etc....

The more background (i.e. blue ocean) you have in the frame, the less effective TTL becomes. For example... a fish portrait against blue ocean or a diver at the crows nest of a wreck against blue ocean. This is when manual flash comes in. It is very critical that all underwater photographers learn how to use the manual settings in their strobes AND learn when its more appropriate to use it over TTL.

As for the OP's P&S -- he does not mention whether his camera supports full manual control of ISO, shutter speed, and aperture..... it should... if not he should look to upgrade. It is very difficult to get consistent results underwater with an auto-only camera. Personally, I set my ISO at the lowest setting (100 or 200 depending on which camera I'm using) -- keep shutter speed around 1/125 for closer shots and adjust downward for "blue ocean" shots depending on how much exposure I want back there (shutter speeds only affects the areas that your strobe does NOT light)..... Aperture hovers between f/8 and f/16 depending on whether flash is TTL or manual and what I want to do with DoF.

As for shooting strobes manual.... a good starting point is F/8 and half-power.... adjust from there. The beauty of digital is you get instant feedback. Do this enough and after a while, you will be able to look at a scene and be able to tell the exposure within 1-2 stops. If you have two strobes, experiment with different power settings on each one to achieve the lighting/shadows that look best.... this is another good reason to shoot manual. Shot RAW if your camera supports it, that way you have much more control in post-processing without damaging the image.

This is an excellent site to learn about UW photography: http://www.uwphotographyguide.com/underwater-photography-chapter-index-guide-underwater-photography

The Underwater Photographer by Martin Edge is an excellent book.

I recommend a lot of reading and discussion..... When I first got into UW photography, I had been shooting "on land" for a couple of decades already -- often professionally. I can tell you from experience that there is enough differences to where I felt like a novice again...... This is specially true in the area of lighting..... which was the topic of the OP's original question.

Enjoy!
 
The camera does have full manual control and a hot shoe. It is sounding like TTL might be worth it then. DoNotDstrb, thanks for the link.
 

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