Trip Report - JP Morgan

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DrSteve

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On Saturday I went diving on the JP Morgan with JGarySmith, LarryHorne and their buddy Jim. We went on the Flying Fish out of VA Beach and it was a smooth 2.5h ride to the site. The dive itself was around 57F at depth and 20 feet vis.

The JP Morgan is a WW2 wreck at 100ish feet. A 7,176 ton Liberty ship sunk on it's maiden voyage on June 1, 1943 by being cut in half after colliding with the SS Montana. The John Morgan was loaded with lend-lease cargo which included trucks, jeeps, motorcycles, P-39 airplanes, 10 Valentine tanks, artillery guns, ammunition, and tons of assorted weapons. This is one of the most interesting wrecks off of the Virginia coast to explore. This is the best-known of the Virginia wrecks. It was built in Philadelphia in 1942. The stern sank quickly in 100 fsw with a long rubble field in front of it. The bow remained afloat for some time and its whereabouts are still uncertain.

Before we went down I talked to Jim about the plan. His plan was to fart around - which was great as I wanted to photograph stuff, maybe bring up a 90mm shell and maybe a flounder - I was easy to please. I told him that as he was diving with a much bigger tank than me (HP120 - maybe a 100, versus my 95) I would be happy making my ascent solo if he wanted to continue his dive. He was dead against that, which was fair enough - after all he was the one who would be getting his dive cut short right? Wrong!

By 12 minutes into the dive Jim had drained his tank to 700 psi. When he signaled he was low on air he followed someone's wreck reel to in the wrong direction (I figured he knew what he was doing). So he tied of his wreck reel and we surfaced using that to control our ascent and so we wouldn't get swept away by the surface current. After we surfaced, Jim spent the next hour or so telling anyone he could corner for 2s how bad he had it, how he had to surface with the wreck reel. I tried to console him saying he did the right thing and didn't panic and honestly although I was pissed at having such a short dive and coming up with half a tank (LP95), he followed the text book procedure, no harm done. The highlight of this dive was seeing a school of atlantic spade fish swim by us during our ascent - they are pretty fish.

Jim decided to sit out the second dive due to a dodgy breakfast burrito (still lamenting the loss of $4 worth of line and a $2 shackle from his wreck reel - missing the second dive on an $85 trip hadn't crossed his mind). I dove with Gary and Larry. I got a couple of photos of some fishies and saw some of those bell shaped jelly fish with the internal neon track lighting (that made my dive).

Gary at one point found an intact 90mm shell and picked it up, next thing he plunged head fist into the sand - those things are heavy! We swam a bit and I found an interesting sea shell and a fine example of a crushed 90mm shell which I tucked under my arm before crashing into the bottom. Yup, heavy, add more air to BC and everything was fine. After 15 minutes our time was done due to decompression obligations and we began our ascent. At around 30 feet my keep bag fell off my clip (note to self, get a proper clip next time) and plummetted into the depths. My face was a picture apparently more so because I had only bought the keep bag the day before.

Once we surfaced I heard that someone below us had picked up my keep bag and raised the shell for me (what a nice guy). It was a good dive. Then we had to just lay back on the deck and soak up some rays. As we were leaving we saw 3 divers from Wreck Masters divers (the boat which bills itself as for the serious technical diver and incidentaly charges $125 for the same trip) on the surface about 300 yards from their dive boat and steadily drifting away. We picked them up and took them to their boat, they thanked us, but the skipper and crew of the other boat didn't. Left a great impression.
 
Steve, you are right, that 90mm shell was heavy. I am glad you got the picture of me holding it before I fell over to the sand with it.

I can agree with the look on your face when your gear bag fell to the bottom with the shell in it. It was priceless. I thought you were upset about the shell, not that you just bought the bag. You left out that when you jumped off the boat it came off than too. Remember Larry was on the hang bar and went after it for you. I think if he had it to do again he would let it go. He was exhausted fighting the current back to the anchor line. What a guy!

Sorry your first dive got cut short. It is a shame because the Morgan was a great dive. I am glad you got to dive with Larry and I on the second dive. I think we all got our max times in before running into any deco obligations. I think you did a great job on the dive report also I won't add anything else. It was a learning experience in a lot of ways. I was definatly shocked about the divers from Wreck Masters. What if we had not picked them up? They could be in Maryland by now. Scary!

Larry and I enjoyed diving with you and I am confident in your skills. Larry is my permament dive buddy, but I would dive with you again anytime. See you Saturday in Nags Head.

I appreciate the pictures you emailed me too.
 
jgarysmith:
I was definatly shocked about the divers from Wreck Masters. What if we had not picked them up? They could be in Maryland by now. Scary!

Hey, I take offence to that! What is "Scary" about Maryland!! LOL
Honestly, there is alot about this state that scares me too.
 
Tobagoman:
Hey, I take offence to that! What is "Scary" about Maryland!! LOL
Honestly, there is alot about this state that scares me too.

One word...Maryland and Baltimorons. I lived there for 3.5 years...
 
jgarysmith:
Steve, you are right, that 90mm shell was heavy. I am glad you got the picture of me holding it before I fell over to the sand with it.

I can agree with the look on your face when your gear bag fell to the bottom with the shell in it. It was priceless. I thought you were upset about the shell, not that you just bought the bag. You left out that when you jumped off the boat it came off than too. Remember Larry was on the hang bar and went after it for you. I think if he had it to do again he would let it go. He was exhausted fighting the current back to the anchor line. What a guy!

Sorry your first dive got cut short. It is a shame because the Morgan was a great dive. I am glad you got to dive with Larry and I on the second dive. I think we all got our max times in before running into any deco obligations. I think you did a great job on the dive report also I won't add anything else. It was a learning experience in a lot of ways. I was definatly shocked about the divers from Wreck Masters. What if we had not picked them up? They could be in Maryland by now. Scary!

Larry and I enjoyed diving with you and I am confident in your skills. Larry is my permament dive buddy, but I would dive with you again anytime. See you Saturday in Nags Head.

I appreciate the pictures you emailed me too.

Damn I forgot that about Larry getting the bag when it got loose! I'm going to make sure I have a big honking clip on the thing next time!

I'd dive with you guys anytime.
 
How about "offshore Maryland" that way there is no offense to Marylanders. All kidding aside, anybody on the boat that day will tell you those divers were steadly being pulled away from thier boat in a pretty swift current.

What I could not understand was they had safety sausages that were not used. They had wreck reels that were not used, for directions on the wreck, or for the free ascent they had to do.Why carry equipment that you do not end up using?
 
Dr Steve,

I enjoyed your report, but don’t you think fellow divers deserve to here the facts, or do you constantly have to make yourself feel important. Yup, I made a mistake or two, I didn’t take a compass and I ate a burrito and coffee for breakfast, so I paid for it. I just wish that you could be a real man to express yourself to my face instead of some hind tit sucking wimp who hides behind a keyboard. Well to get it straight:

1) When asked are you ready to dive, You said yes, well 6 minutes passed on the hang bar before you showed up.
2) As for “farting around” I believe we were going to explore the left side of the wreck, sorry fellow, I plan my dive and follow it.
3) Great eye sight, especially when you can read my gauges and 700 psi from 8 ft. I believe we agreed to ascend at 1000 psi. But as a SSI Master Diver you do practice the rule of thirds or 100 psi per 10 ft of depth as a minimum to start your ascent, in this case that would be 1000 psi. Mmmmmmmm….. As a Master diver who is diving recreational, you know better than to talk about solo diving much less solo ascents. I think you indicated in your profile that you re-certified through SSI in the tidewater area. Well Steve, I know most of the instructors and all of the SSI shops, and they DO NOT advocate solo diving or solo ascents.
4) As for the wreck line, might have been nice if you had indicated that two divers were reeling up and they too were going in another direction. I’m glad that you do extend credit to me for following “textbook” procedures by tying off and using a wreck reel to ascend. I didn’t see you complain about the fact that you ascended on my line and we surfaced within 25 yards of the boat.
5) As for consoling me, I don’t think so, I informed the dive masters about what happened as a good diver would do. Sorry if I didn’t make the second dive, the burrito did it’s damage, but I am smart enough to know when to say no and dive another day.
6) As for my tank, it is a 100 cft HP steel. I had 2850 at the start, and I don’t know what computer you dive on, but mine showed 24 minutes, so less 6 minutes for ascent @ 30 ft per min and a 3 min safety stop, my math says I dove 18 minutes. OOPS you’re right when I factor out waiting on the hang bar.

In closing, you bash diving in the MD/VA/NC are by calling it “mud hole” diving, you don’t like to follow the rules, and you want to solo dive and solo ascend, and you talk crap about people. You’re a real piece of work!!!!

As for that kind of crap in diving, I would never teach it to a fellow student or diver. So Steve if we pass each other again, I will look you in the eye as a man with a clear conscience and I may even say hello. Hope that one day you’re man enough to apologize!

Jim SSI DiveCon #21880


DrSteve:
On Saturday I went diving on the JP Morgan with JGarySmith, LarryHorne and their buddy Jim. We went on the Flying Fish out of VA Beach and it was a smooth 2.5h ride to the site. The dive itself was around 57F at depth and 20 feet vis.

The JP Morgan is a WW2 wreck at 100ish feet. A 7,176 ton Liberty ship sunk on it's maiden voyage on June 1, 1943 by being cut in half after colliding with the SS Montana. The John Morgan was loaded with lend-lease cargo which included trucks, jeeps, motorcycles, P-39 airplanes, 10 Valentine tanks, artillery guns, ammunition, and tons of assorted weapons. This is one of the most interesting wrecks off of the Virginia coast to explore. This is the best-known of the Virginia wrecks. It was built in Philadelphia in 1942. The stern sank quickly in 100 fsw with a long rubble field in front of it. The bow remained afloat for some time and its whereabouts are still uncertain.

Before we went down I talked to Jim about the plan. His plan was to fart around - which was great as I wanted to photograph stuff, maybe bring up a 90mm shell and maybe a flounder - I was easy to please. I told him that as he was diving with a much bigger tank than me (HP120 - maybe a 100, versus my 95) I would be happy making my ascent solo if he wanted to continue his dive. He was dead against that, which was fair enough - after all he was the one who would be getting his dive cut short right? Wrong!

By 12 minutes into the dive Jim had drained his tank to 700 psi. When he signaled he was low on air he followed someone's wreck reel to in the wrong direction (I figured he knew what he was doing). So he tied of his wreck reel and we surfaced using that to control our ascent and so we wouldn't get swept away by the surface current. After we surfaced, Jim spent the next hour or so telling anyone he could corner for 2s how bad he had it, how he had to surface with the wreck reel. I tried to console him saying he did the right thing and didn't panic and honestly although I was pissed at having such a short dive and coming up with half a tank (LP95), he followed the text book procedure, no harm done. The highlight of this dive was seeing a school of atlantic spade fish swim by us during our ascent - they are pretty fish.

Jim decided to sit out the second dive due to a dodgy breakfast burrito (still lamenting the loss of $4 worth of line and a $2 shackle from his wreck reel - missing the second dive on an $85 trip hadn't crossed his mind). I dove with Gary and Larry. I got a couple of photos of some fishies and saw some of those bell shaped jelly fish with the internal neon track lighting (that made my dive).

Gary at one point found an intact 90mm shell and picked it up, next thing he plunged head fist into the sand - those things are heavy! We swam a bit and I found an interesting sea shell and a fine example of a crushed 90mm shell which I tucked under my arm before crashing into the bottom. Yup, heavy, add more air to BC and everything was fine. After 15 minutes our time was done due to decompression obligations and we began our ascent. At around 30 feet my keep bag fell off my clip (note to self, get a proper clip next time) and plummetted into the depths. My face was a picture apparently more so because I had only bought the keep bag the day before.

Once we surfaced I heard that someone below us had picked up my keep bag and raised the shell for me (what a nice guy). It was a good dive. Then we had to just lay back on the deck and soak up some rays. As we were leaving we saw 3 divers from Wreck Masters divers (the boat which bills itself as for the serious technical diver and incidentaly charges $125 for the same trip) on the surface about 300 yards from their dive boat and steadily drifting away. We picked them up and took them to their boat, they thanked us, but the skipper and crew of the other boat didn't. Left a great impression.
 
scuba_dude:
Dr Steve,

I enjoyed your report, but don’t you think fellow divers deserve to here the facts, or do you constantly have to make yourself feel important. Yup, I made a mistake or two, I didn’t take a compass and I ate a burrito and coffee for breakfast, so I paid for it. I just wish that you could be a real man to express yourself to my face instead of some hind tit sucking wimp who hides behind a keyboard. Well to get it straight:

1) When asked are you ready to dive, You said yes, well 6 minutes passed on the hang bar before you showed up.
2) As for “farting around” I believe we were going to explore the left side of the wreck, sorry fellow, I plan my dive and follow it.
3) Great eye sight, especially when you can read my gauges and 700 psi from 8 ft. I believe we agreed to ascend at 1000 psi. But as a SSI Master Diver you do practice the rule of thirds or 100 psi per 10 ft of depth as a minimum to start your ascent, in this case that would be 1000 psi. Mmmmmmmm….. As a Master diver who is diving recreational, you know better than to talk about solo diving much less solo ascents. I think you indicated in your profile that you re-certified through SSI in the tidewater area. Well Steve, I know most of the instructors and all of the SSI shops, and they DO NOT advocate solo diving or solo ascents.
4) As for the wreck line, might have been nice if you had indicated that two divers were reeling up and they too were going in another direction. I’m glad that you do extend credit to me for following “textbook” procedures by tying off and using a wreck reel to ascend. I didn’t see you complain about the fact that you ascended on my line and we surfaced within 25 yards of the boat.
5) As for consoling me, I don’t think so, I informed the dive masters about what happened as a good diver would do. Sorry if I didn’t make the second dive, the burrito did it’s damage, but I am smart enough to know when to say no and dive another day.
6) As for my tank, it is a 100 cft HP steel. I had 2850 at the start, and I don’t know what computer you dive on, but mine showed 24 minutes, so less 6 minutes for ascent @ 30 ft per min and a 3 min safety stop, my math says I dove 18 minutes. OOPS you’re right when I factor out waiting on the hang bar.

In closing, you bash diving in the MD/VA/NC are by calling it “mud hole” diving, you don’t like to follow the rules, and you want to solo dive and solo ascend, and you talk crap about people. You’re a real piece of work!!!!

As for that kind of crap in diving, I would never teach it to a fellow student or diver. So Steve if we pass each other again, I will look you in the eye as a man with a clear conscience and I may even say hello. Hope that one day you’re man enough to apologize!

Jim SSI DiveCon #21880

Jim,

I could give a blow by blow rebuttal, but I don't see the point. I am neither going to apologise for the content of my dive report nor buddy with you again.

Steve
 

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