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This is Thailand. Let me offer another example for those not living here, you can routinely get out of traffic tickets with a relatively small fee (bribe). It may seem relatively benign but the potential for wider abuse is always lurking. Without rule of law these types of things tend grow out of proportion and perhaps the "zig zag" referred to is just this phenomena. Catching someone breaking the law must be a policeman's dream, especially when it is a farang as an even greater green whiff of money is close at hand. Money rules not the strict moral code most associate with the land of smiles. The problems are brought on by the Thais themselves IMO.

Threads such as these are not intended to hurt tourism IMO, but rather warn visitors of issues to watch out for. Separate section for these issues?
 
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For the police to be in on a scam? After reading this I would say yes.

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March 30, 2008 · 8 Comments


According to the United Nations, the Royal Thai Police are organized criminals.

That, at least, is the inference to be drawn from looking at its Convention against Transnational Organized Crime, which was adopted in 2001 and which defines an organized crime group as involving at least three people acting in concert over a period of time “with the aim of committing one or more serious crimes or offences… in order to obtain… a financial or other material benefit.”

It would be hard to overstate the extent to which Thailand’s police fit this definition. A browse through a few newspapers of recent weeks alone reveals as much.
In February there was the case of the border patrol unit that abducted and tortured people to extract money and force them to confess to narcotics charges. So far over 100 complaints have been lodged against it, the majority from persons serving jail terms, and also one policeman. Although the low-ranking officers involved have surrendered, investigators have reportedly said that there is no evidence to link their wrongdoing to their superiors.

Then was the car scam, which came unstuck when a victim of theft went to police headquarters to file a complaint and found his vehicle sitting in the parking lot: not impounded, being used by personnel.

The police had colluded with rental companies to steal perhaps over 1,000 new automobiles by fraud. So far, only a few of the cars have been recovered. Many will have been sold into Cambodia and Burma. The operation apparently stretched over a wide area and involved police from various units, including Special Branch and cyber crime. Senior officers have already sought to exonerate some, saying that they will face only internal, not criminal, inquiries. The hire company directors have been arrested.

Similarly, 21 police forensics staff accused of taking money for the cost of formalin that was never administered have been let off the hook and three civilian employees blamed in their stead. Joking about this case, cartoonist Chai Rachawat wrote in the Thai Rath newspaper that it is anyhow better for police to steal from the dead than from the living: his picture (above) depicts skeletons standing in coffins and yelling as a policeman makes off with the loot.

Aside from these incidents, police have been implicated in a number of recent killings: some execution-style, another in which a leading forensic scientist has said that their account of what happened does not match the evidence. Torture and other abuses meanwhile go on as normal.

Thailand’s police did not become an organized crime gang by accident. The modern force was from the beginning intended both as a criminal and political agency, monopolizing the drug trade and murdering or detaining opponents, including other police. It quickly became unstoppable as, historian Thak Chaloemtiara notes, while people whispered about its crimes “investigation was impossible, for the crimes were committed by the police themselves.”

Its heyday as an unsurpassed crime venture may have been in the 1950s, but until now the police force remains beyond the law and answerable unto itself. The institutional features of its criminality, including the routine use of force and self-financing of individual officers and stations, speak to how incidents of the sort described above are organized, not haphazard.

These conditions present persons interested in improving the work of the police with profound and peculiar difficulties. For some three decades there has been talk of reform, and a few attempts, including one by the interim prime minister of the recent military government. But all have failed, in the same way that attempts to turn any other organized crime group into a legitimate enterprise against the will of its members could not possibly do otherwise.

But had any attempts at reforming the Royal Thai Police succeeded, would it really have made any difference? Wouldn’t a reformed organized crime group remain what it is at its roots? How different are reformed organized criminals from their unreformed counterparts?

These questions could be cause for despair. After all, if things are that bad, then why bother? There are indeed many who think in this way, and do not believe that the police in Thailand can ever be significantly changed. Unsurprisingly, when this sort of thinking becomes widespread, it guarantees that things go on as usual. Without hope that anything can be done about the police, nothing can.

On the other hand, pretending that things aren’t as bad as they really are also ensures that things go on as usual. It allows people to fool themselves into thinking that a few quick fixes, like decentralizing and better training, may result in improvements. Superficially, they might. But anybody who looks honestly and seriously at the work of the police in Thailand for long enough will be obliged to acknowledge that it will take much more than this.

That’s why the U.N. definition is helpful. Let’s be honest and describe Thailand’s police as they are: organized criminals in uniform. If this much can be admitted, then it might be possible to get down to the business of what to do about them.
 
According to the United Nations, the Royal Thai Police are organized criminals.

Well I'm sure some of them are. But to say that the whole Thai police force are a bunch of criminals is for me going a bit too far.
But what do I know? I've been living here only for 20 odd years or so and hardly ever have had to deal with them. The times I did need them they were polite and even helped me without requiring an envelope under the table.
 
Participating in this thread seem an exercise in micro vision. Anyone that has done any significant travelling around the world knows that these types of events and issues can and do happen in lots of countries. Take the east coast of Mexico from Playa del Carmen where tens of thousands of divers and backpacker visit each year. I have personally experience more issue travelling in France than in Thailand. And if you really want to deal with a government organization that seems to do anything they want try dealing with the US Immigration services.

Its unfortunate that this event happened to the OP but the take away if your a cautious traveller is to not stay in the same hotel as the OP. If your going to live your life worrying about what happened to one person out of a thousand then you might be safer staying at home. But then again maybe not you could always be killed by a home invasion in North America or killed by a random bullet from a deer hunter at the start of the season or what about that idiot who is the slowest driver on the highway but thinks he owns the passing lane. Or for that matter you should quit diving as you already know that could kill you. It has to many other people.

John
 
Well I'm sure some of them are. But to say that the whole Thai police force are a bunch of criminals is for me going a bit too far.
But what do I know? I've been living here only for 20 odd years or so and hardly ever have had to deal with them. The times I did need them they were polite and even helped me without requiring an envelope under the table.

I have to entirely agree with the above.
As most places in the world, if you behave in a civilised and apropriate manner, generally you will not attract the attention of the police. Also as in all walks of life there are good and bad, and fortunately good prevails in the vast majority of cases.
 
Sohpon acts to prevent airport scams
Writer: BangkokPost.com
Published: 22/07/2009 at 05:09 PM Transport Minister Sohpon Zarun on Wednesday ordered Airports of Thailand Plc (AoT) to step up measures at Suvarnabhumi and other airports to prevent extortion scams.

Mr Sohpon gave the order during his inspection trip to Suvarnabhumi airport after a British couple clamed they were the victims of an extortion scam after being accused of shoplifting from a duty free shop. The couple's claim was reported by the BBC.

The transport minister was also said to have been criticised by Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva for failing to keep the airport to international standards.

Mr Sohpon said he had ordered the AoT to arrange its officials to take care of foreign tourists in case they are engaged in a legal dispute and required to be handed over to police investigators. During this process, the tourists must be escorted by airport officials and
embassies of their countries must be informed
. This is to prevent members of the scam gangs intervening and offering help.

He said all embassies will be informed that if their citizens encounter this problem they should file a complaint with the Transport Ministry immediately.

The minister said the British couple's claim will also be investigated and legal action will be taken against those found to have been involved in the scam.
 
Participating in this thread seem an exercise in micro vision. Anyone that has done any significant travelling around the world knows that these types of events and issues can and do happen in lots of countries. Take the east coast of Mexico from Playa del Carmen where tens of thousands of divers and backpacker visit each year. I have personally experience more issue travelling in France than in Thailand. And if you really want to deal with a government organization that seems to do anything they want try dealing with the US Immigration services.

Its unfortunate that this event happened to the OP but the take away if your a cautious traveller is to not stay in the same hotel as the OP. If your going to live your life worrying about what happened to one person out of a thousand then you might be safer staying at home. But then again maybe not you could always be killed by a home invasion in North America or killed by a random bullet from a deer hunter at the start of the season or what about that idiot who is the slowest driver on the highway but thinks he owns the passing lane. Or for that matter you should quit diving as you already know that could kill you. It has to many other people.

John

The US Immigration services?. I have been a RA in the US for 28 years and never had a problem with them or any other goverment.
 
Well I'm sure some of them are. But to say that the whole Thai police force are a bunch of criminals is for me going a bit too far.
But what do I know? I've been living here only for 20 odd years or so and hardly ever have had to deal with them. The times I did need them they were polite and even helped me without requiring an envelope under the table.

That not all of them are but it would seem enough of them are to give the force a bad reputation.

I am also sure that every police force in the world get a few bad cops now and then but they usually get weeded out eventually
 
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