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CompuDude

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...THAT is the question.

I know for some it's a no-brainer... scuba is what they want to live, eat and breathe (har-har), so it's a natural progression. For me, while I may want that to some extent as well, I'm not willing to give up my well-paying day job to live on a DM's income... I could be mistaken, but it seems to me that the only way to really do well (financially) in this field is to own your own fleet of boats, stores, resorts, whatever. I don't wish to come off like a snob at all, but I worked hard to get to where I am today and am not ready to give up the perks. I'm certainly not rich, but I'm comfortable with where I am for now. But I digress.

Background: I was originally certified in '87, at 16 years old, on a family vacation in Hawaii (PADI Basic OW). We returned in '89, and I got my advanced certification... although, as a young, carless student with a $20/week allowance, I hardly did any diving in the intervening years, as much as I loved it. I dove a few times after that... some on a vacation in Cabo, some more with dad in Hawaii, a couple of times locally (although rented wetsuits and gear made it cold and less fun that I liked). I went far away from the ocean to college, and life intervened, and I gradually lost the intensity of love for the underwater world I had originally discovered, as I moved around the country, with both school and work.

That's the background. To make a long story short, recently I went on a trip to Jamaica, dove at a resort, and remembered what I loved about it. Took to it like a fish, remembered pretty much everything from my training, and got the bug back BIG TIME. And now I have the means to do something about it. I've purchased all my own gear except tanks (yay mastercard!), advanced my Cert level to PADI Rescue, have done a couple beach dives and a several local boat dives, and plan to add in a few specialty certs in the next couple of months. I would say I probably have in the neighborhood of 30-35 dives under my belt, but it's hard to say for sure as my old log book was lost in the "dry years", as it were, and I can only reconstruct some of them.

Naturally, one thing newly-minted Rescue Divers are asked about is if they wish to continue on to become Dive Masters. And therein lies my question. (Thanks for reading this far!) Which route to take? Master Diver? Dive Master? There is a world of difference... Master Diver seems to be something of a joke... a card that in reality gets you nothing but some bragging rights. Dive Master seems like it actually comes with some real advances in my knowledge and training... but it's also not cheap to get, takes a real time investment, and, from some threads I've read, seems like it might bring with it some liability issues that, frankly, I have no interest in risking, since I'm not truly interested in this as a career at this point. The cost of getting my DM is not really an impediment, although it will be nice to pay down my gear debt a bit first. ;)

But I like the idea of learning more, other than just specialties, and I like having the option to go farther if I want. I like the idea of, for fun, working on a boat on occasion, and assisting training the occasional classes... I enjoy sharing my enthusiasm and knowledge with others. Who knows where I'll want to go eventually? (And I have to admit, the idea of being able to write off all the gear I've purchased so far this year is appealing, as well.)

I realize none of you are me (duh), but what's your take on what I should do? Is it an insult to the hard-working people who DM for a living to even consider it? Or is it worthwhile to continue my education in the sport? Or should I **** and go back to recreational diving until I have 100+ dives under my belt and want to give up my day job and restart my life on a different path?

Hoping for serious advice, but I have a sense of humor. I hope I'm not completely out of line to post this as my intro to this board... either choice I make, I plan to remain active in diving!
 
My advice would be to go for the DM, but also to get the Nitrox spec. If you don't want a career out of diving, but still want the knowledge, this sounds like the best option, plus you don't get the liability unless your working.
 
There's a difference between taking the DM cert course and being a DM. I am in the same boat as you, although I will probably maintain myself as an active DM for certain reasons (like my LDS' annual trips that I can get good deals on).
Being a certified DM does bring on some added responsibility, especially when in a group setting. You technically are responsible for making sure noone kills themselves in the water, if you are cognizant of the conditions that would cause it. You are supposed to be more responsible about your diving and the diving of those about you. As an active DM, someone who is taking people out on dives, being paid for the job, you have lots of liabilities and responsibilities. There's where your training and insurance cover you. As a non-active DM, those responsibilities aren't as prevalent. You're not required to tell anyone you're a DM, and you're not as liable for anyone else's actions. As an inactive DM, though, your buddy will thank you for your added knowledge/skills, and your dive group will benefit from those same. You will be the UberBuddy, if you will. And, as an added benefit, sometimes if you let the dive op know you're a DM, albeit an inactive one, they might cut you a deal if you are willing to give a hand. Of course, that does bring into question whether you're inactive or not.
In all, the responsibilities grow with the advanced cert. You are a dive professional once you gain DM status. You should be willing to maintain that professional status, even if you are not active in the dive industry. If the idea of adding more responsibility to your dive plate is not what you want, then don't do the DM thing. If you are willing to take the added responsibility, you will find that the skills gained as a DM are immense, and you will be an extremely better diver than when you started.

As for the Master Diver thing, that's just a card. I'll print one out and laminate it for you for a small fee, if you'd like ;) The true Master Diver is one who is a Master of Diving, and not someone who took a course. The DM course will set you well on your way to becoming a Master Diver, in my opinion, as the emergency skills you learn in the DM course, along with the OW skills you must excel at, will give you the proficiency of a master diver level diver.

As a final thought, being a DM doesn't mean quitting your day job. It just means more work for you. Only college kids and true Bohemians can live off of a DM's pay. Although the perks can be worth it, if you get the right job. My DM'ing will consist of weekend dives in the local lakes, or helping my buddy's classes out, or trips to the coast. Again, all weekend and evening stuff. If anything, I hope for it to pay for my gas and beer for the trips. That and my LDS hooks me up with free air and delas on gear as long as I dive for them. Which makes me wonder how much I have to dive to pay for my insurance....
 
Bubble Junky:
My advice would be to go for the DM, but also to get the Nitrox spec. If you don't want a career out of diving, but still want the knowledge, this sounds like the best option, plus you don't get the liability unless your working.
So no (additional) liab. issues if you're not actively working? That's good to know... was not clear from other other posts.

Whether I go DM or not, I'll be getting more specialties. I plan to get a "triple-threat" (as they're calling it at my LDS) in the next month: Nitrox, Dry Suit and Wreck. The one dive covers all three, which saves some time and dough, and we dive the Yukon down in San Diego... warm in a dry suit (rented, sadly), safe with extended bottom time on Nitrox, and learning the wreck techniques? Should be much fun... and I wanted to dive the Yukon anyway, and stay warm, and stay down longer, so it's a win-win-win! :-) After that I'll probably pick up Peak Buoyancy, perhaps U/W Nav, and Night (not that I really need it). Get the Master Diver before I go for the DM.
 
CompuDude:
...THAT is the question.

I realize none of you are me (duh), but what's your take on what I should do? Is it an insult to the hard-working people who DM for a living to even consider it? Or is it worthwhile to continue my education in the sport? Or should I **** and go back to recreational diving until I have 100+ dives under my belt and want to give up my day job and restart my life on a different path?

First ask yourself these questions:

1) Do I want to be a dive instructor?
2) Do I want to assist in teaching dive classes?
3) Do I want to work as a DM leading dives?

If you didn't answer yes to any of the three, skip the class. There are other specialties out there that will teach the more advanced skills. (advanced nitrox for one). The DM program is more about prepping you to do the above in a leadership role. It also can change your pecieved duy of care to other divers. Usually working DM's pay for and carry liability insurance to CYA.
 
well, as far as I know, not too many people consider DM a professional option because you can't make much, or any, money from DM around here in Miami. Anyhow, if the choice is between DM or master diver, definitely go DM.

What I think is important about DM is that you find a nearby LDS to do it off of. Because once you complete DM, you can "help out" with the shop's OW classes. What I'm saying is, DM training weaves you into the LDS that's training you so it's better if you did it at a local "hangout" type dive shop instead of somewhere overseas. Also, watch out for insta-DM courses found at many tourist destinations where you get high-speed training and get DM in like, 2 weeks.

Also, I'll emphasize again that DM is not really a career choice. It's a pro rating, but I can also argue that DM is the highest non-pro diving rating. So, if you don't consider DM as a career choice, but consider it more of an advancement (like OW to AOW) in dive education, then it's a great option to think about. In terms of dive industry and dive "pro" ratings, it's really, really tough to make a living even as instructors, so I think it's safe to say that quiting your job is completely out of the question. Unless you seriously want to live diving, then there are ways to do it right.

Either way though, DM is a "first step" thing that familiarizes you with the PADI teaching environment. You learn the science and theory behind diving, and also get a feel for what it's like on the other side of the fence. If you have the time and money, do it! There's a DM candidate at my LDS that became a really, REALLY good diver through the DM training... I just became an instructor so I sure hope he can help me in my classes.

added: Watch out for those specialities! If you don't need it, don't take it. If it were me, I'd go DM first, and see if the LDS will cut me better deals for the specialities. They may even let you do some of the specialities for free if they're very important to your local environment. Think of specialities as "incentive to keep diving", or "diver retention". You're going to spend lots of money on DM as it is, so keep the money. (unless you've got some to spare) Remember, you can alway worry about the specialites after you become DM, and LDS will most likely give you better deals after you start helping out as DM.

Also, last time I checked DM professional liability (aside from diver insurance) was around $310 per year.
 
steveann:
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As a final thought, being a DM doesn't mean quitting your day job. It just means more work for you. Only college kids and true Bohemians can live off of a DM's pay. Although the perks can be worth it, if you get the right job. My DM'ing will consist of weekend dives in the local lakes, or helping my buddy's classes out, or trips to the coast. Again, all weekend and evening stuff. If anything, I hope for it to pay for my gas and beer for the trips. That and my LDS hooks me up with free air and delas on gear as long as I dive for them. Which makes me wonder how much I have to dive to pay for my insurance....
I think I'm leaning towards going for it. (DM)

Two questions: It seems like working DMs (at least, in my limited local experience on the Peace) work their *** off and don't get to have much fun. Any idea how often they get wet while being paid? Second is, how much does the insurance run, and how much do you think you need to dive to cover those extra costs? I'm trying to figure out how much I'd have to work to still cover my costs... my weekends are precious few as it is, between family obligations and having a life, it's tough squeezing another time-sucking hobby into those weekends. And I don't really want to alienate my wife against diving any more than she already is!
 
kensuguro:
What I think is important about DM is that you find a nearby LDS to do it off of. Because once you complete DM, you can "help out" with the shop's OW classes. What I'm saying is, DM training weaves you into the LDS that's training you so it's better if you did it at a local "hangout" type dive shop instead of somewhere overseas. Also, watch out for insta-DM courses found at many tourist destinations where you get high-speed training and get DM in like, 2 weeks.
I really enjoy hanging out with the guys who run and own my LDS, and I think working with them on occasion would be a blast. They trained me in my Rescue cert., and I think they'll be thrilled if I join their DM program, so no, no quickie overseas DM courses for me! It usually takes several months, from what I understand, depending on the availability of classes to assist and my own "free time" schedule. As long as I finish this year so I can write off my big gear purchase, I'll be fine with however long it takes. :)
 
kensuguro:
~snip~
added: Watch out for those specialities! If you don't need it, don't take it. If it were me, I'd go DM first, and see if the LDS will cut me better deals for the specialities. They may even let you do some of the specialities for free if they're very important to your local environment. Think of specialities as "incentive to keep diving", or "diver retention". You're going to spend lots of money on DM as it is, so keep the money. (unless you've got some to spare) Remember, you can alway worry about the specialites after you become DM, and LDS will most likely give you better deals after you start helping out as DM.
Hmm... good point, there. Well, I still will probably do the triple threat... Nitrox and Dry Suit are actually needed, IMO, and why not get a nice wreck dive in while I'm at it? ;) Any others can wait, though, I think you're right.
 
You have to ask yourself whether your primary interest is in diving or in teaching/assisting.

If you are interested in diving then go diving. Assisting beginners in the pool and during OW sessions is not diving. Most/many instructors/divemasters that I know don't have time for pleasure dives.

If teaching is something you enjoy then get the DM certificate. However, I don't really see how someone can teach without experience. I would suggest that you get a few hundred dives to gain experience in varying conditions and then worry about becoming a DM.

Going on one dive to get 3 three certificates just sounds like certificate collecting to me.

Regarding writing your gear off your would first have to make enough income from being to DM to have anything to write off against. You would also have to only use that dive gear in your "DM business", no pleasure diving. I don't think writing gear off is going to pass the IRS scrutiny test.
 

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