gqllc
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Anyone using this setup?? It seems priced right and well made. I am considering it. Also considering Oxycheck which I know has rave reviews. Diving will be warm water, single tank with pony. Thanks
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docmartin
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do you have a picture or link?
www.jetharness.com
They seem to use a completely flat backplate, which seems like it would be quite uncomfortable compared to the angled backplates normally used. Instead of resting against the shoulder blade area it'll put all the weight right on your spine and probably be very uncomfortable for those of us with spiny backs.
The harness itself looks like the OMS Comfort Harness, minus the crotch strap, which negates several of the benefits of moving to a bp/wing in the first place.
I think it's there just to be different and hope that it generates a few sales.
They seem to use a completely flat backplate, which seems like it would be quite uncomfortable compared to the angled backplates normally used. Instead of resting against the shoulder blade area it'll put all the weight right on your spine and probably be very uncomfortable for those of us with spiny backs.
The harness itself looks like the OMS Comfort Harness, minus the crotch strap, which negates several of the benefits of moving to a bp/wing in the first place.
I think it's there just to be different and hope that it generates a few sales.
SparkySFD
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Im not so sure. It looks like a well made comfortable setup. Ive emailed them about it and Jeff (the owner I think) has responded very promptly, answering all my questions.
I am getting ready to buy my first BP/wing. I may try the standard DIR way first. If I dont find it completely comfortable I will definately try this Jet Harness.
It looks like the best made product out there. Even if I like the standard DIR way I may have Jeff make me a harness anyway. It looks that good. Sounds like they use the best quality material and put it together with quality. You cant go wrong with that.
I am getting ready to buy my first BP/wing. I may try the standard DIR way first. If I dont find it completely comfortable I will definately try this Jet Harness.
It looks like the best made product out there. Even if I like the standard DIR way I may have Jeff make me a harness anyway. It looks that good. Sounds like they use the best quality material and put it together with quality. You cant go wrong with that.
boomx5
Contributor
A couple of things I see that are an issue is the flat backplate. As Jonnythan already said, it would put stress on the spine instead of distridutting the weight across the whole back. This becomes a real problem especially when diving doubles; there is no substitute for a properly fitting backplate. Also, the lack of a crotch strap is a major concern, not to mention chest straps are a solution to a problem that should not exist if the harness is routed and fitted properly. The only reason a harness would fall off your shoulders is if a shark bit your whole arm off; in which case you would have other issues to worry about. A properly fitted backplate and harness is very comfortable, I would suggest finding someone in your area to demo some gear from before you go and blow a bunch of cash and have to ebay it for a loss.
oatmeal769
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I'm new to message boards so bear with me, although I've watched this one without posting for a couple years.
First off, we are not here 'just to be different.' Our harnesses and flat backplates are the sum of more than a year of trial, design, and development of an idea. Prior to that, several years of diving and comparing every setup known to man, among a group of very fine recreational, cave, wreck, and deep divers and teachers from several different disciplines. (This resulted in many 'lively' discussions...
)
The flat backplate is for single tank diving only, it will NOT work, nor is it designed for rigging doubles. We will be introducing a doubles plate very soon, which will be similar to the myriad of others out there, except that ours is constructed with 316 L SS, and will cost significantly less.
Our flat backplate was designed with the idea of getting rid of the single tank adaptor. In OUR HUMBLE OPINION, we felt that there had to be a better way of utilizing the many benefits of a Backplate and Harness, without having to modify a doubles backplate with a single tank adaptor.
So far, comfort with the plate has been excellent, but we're always open to new ideas. We are thinking of introducing a contoured pad for 'bony spines' but haven't seen a want for it yet. Any opinions?
As far as the chest strap, and again our very humble opinion, We feel that most people (but certainly not all) will achieve a better fit, and support / distribution with less underarm chafe using shoulder straps which come straight across the shoulder, and a sternum strap mounted on our 4 point harness rings across the chest. We will gladly manufacture a harness without these features as well.
The crotch strap -
It is our error to have not put up more pictures of our gear, and we're working on that right now. The harness pictured represents one possible combination out of many.
JET Harness custom builds each harness for its wearer. If you'd like a crotch strap, just let us know, and we'll put one on. 1 inch, 2 inch, soft, hard, you name it. We'll build cross the back, cross your heart, straight, padded, no pads, rings, kitchen sink, plain, etc. Personally, I must have a crotch strap for double tank dives, but when diving with a single, I don't like it.
Our mantra is that there are many different philosophies for setups out there, and we are very excited about serving people exactly what they want. Building our harnesses one at a time for the individual is how we will accomplish this.
If you're partial to a DIR setup, (correct me if I'm wrong) but I think the best way, since it is one piece of continuous webbing is to simply buy the raw material and build it yourself, it's easy!
Thanks for reading!
First off, we are not here 'just to be different.' Our harnesses and flat backplates are the sum of more than a year of trial, design, and development of an idea. Prior to that, several years of diving and comparing every setup known to man, among a group of very fine recreational, cave, wreck, and deep divers and teachers from several different disciplines. (This resulted in many 'lively' discussions...
) The flat backplate is for single tank diving only, it will NOT work, nor is it designed for rigging doubles. We will be introducing a doubles plate very soon, which will be similar to the myriad of others out there, except that ours is constructed with 316 L SS, and will cost significantly less.
Our flat backplate was designed with the idea of getting rid of the single tank adaptor. In OUR HUMBLE OPINION, we felt that there had to be a better way of utilizing the many benefits of a Backplate and Harness, without having to modify a doubles backplate with a single tank adaptor.
So far, comfort with the plate has been excellent, but we're always open to new ideas. We are thinking of introducing a contoured pad for 'bony spines' but haven't seen a want for it yet. Any opinions?
As far as the chest strap, and again our very humble opinion, We feel that most people (but certainly not all) will achieve a better fit, and support / distribution with less underarm chafe using shoulder straps which come straight across the shoulder, and a sternum strap mounted on our 4 point harness rings across the chest. We will gladly manufacture a harness without these features as well.
The crotch strap -
It is our error to have not put up more pictures of our gear, and we're working on that right now. The harness pictured represents one possible combination out of many.
JET Harness custom builds each harness for its wearer. If you'd like a crotch strap, just let us know, and we'll put one on. 1 inch, 2 inch, soft, hard, you name it. We'll build cross the back, cross your heart, straight, padded, no pads, rings, kitchen sink, plain, etc. Personally, I must have a crotch strap for double tank dives, but when diving with a single, I don't like it.
Our mantra is that there are many different philosophies for setups out there, and we are very excited about serving people exactly what they want. Building our harnesses one at a time for the individual is how we will accomplish this.
If you're partial to a DIR setup, (correct me if I'm wrong) but I think the best way, since it is one piece of continuous webbing is to simply buy the raw material and build it yourself, it's easy!
Thanks for reading!
docmartin
Contributor
you clearly put some thought into the design of your product. as you can see, intuitively people's bias is that a flat bp will be less comfortable. you obviously have data to the contrary. however, overcoming this perception will be one of your key challenges. i certainly welcome some out-of-the-box thinking. maybe flat will be the future. best of luck with your venture.
Well as an experiment I think i'll go to my basement and lay a flat piece of metal on my back and toss a couple of 20 lb weights on the back and see how it feels.
I'll post the results.
I'll post the results.
If your going to do that you need to do it horizontal in the water with your typical suit on. Then post the results.
Hallmac
ShoalDiverSA
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Oatmeal769,
Thanks for the info on your product. I have some more questions.
How would you rig your air cell to a "standard" backplate with 11" mounting holes and an STA? You speak of a weave-through design for your air cell mounting on the website. Would it be possible/advisable to mount grommets on the air cell to accommodate this type of mounting?
The BIG question: What about the rest of the world? :martian: I see on your eBay store that you ship only to the US of A. Can shipping be arranged to deepest, darkest Africa? I can still pay you in $ (U.S $, not Zimbabwean $!) via PayPal, credit card, etc.
I am asking because I would like to move to a BP/harness BC without incurring ridiculous costs. Your air cell is definitely in my budget range and appears to be solidly made. I also like the idea of a removeable bladder. I am planning on getting my own backplate laser-cut here in S.A. (from 316L SS), rather than importing a hunk of metal. I have downloaded the Roger Lacasse DIY plans and I was hoping to use this in conjunction with your air cell.
Another question: How easy is it to remove the urethane bladder from your air cell for repairs, and can the bladder be repaired? This is important for me because it will be mighty difficult/costly to ship the air cell around the globe for repairs.
Final question: Are you prepared to reveal your real name to us?
(Ve haf vays und meenz to make you talk!) :scared:
Thanks,
Andrew
Thanks for the info on your product. I have some more questions.
How would you rig your air cell to a "standard" backplate with 11" mounting holes and an STA? You speak of a weave-through design for your air cell mounting on the website. Would it be possible/advisable to mount grommets on the air cell to accommodate this type of mounting?
The BIG question: What about the rest of the world? :martian: I see on your eBay store that you ship only to the US of A. Can shipping be arranged to deepest, darkest Africa? I can still pay you in $ (U.S $, not Zimbabwean $!) via PayPal, credit card, etc.
I am asking because I would like to move to a BP/harness BC without incurring ridiculous costs. Your air cell is definitely in my budget range and appears to be solidly made. I also like the idea of a removeable bladder. I am planning on getting my own backplate laser-cut here in S.A. (from 316L SS), rather than importing a hunk of metal. I have downloaded the Roger Lacasse DIY plans and I was hoping to use this in conjunction with your air cell.
Another question: How easy is it to remove the urethane bladder from your air cell for repairs, and can the bladder be repaired? This is important for me because it will be mighty difficult/costly to ship the air cell around the globe for repairs.
Final question: Are you prepared to reveal your real name to us?
(Ve haf vays und meenz to make you talk!) :scared: Thanks,
Andrew
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