The evil J valve ?

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I am starting a new "J" valve c-card course it's completely online only just pm me you credit card info and for only $29.95 you can just flash your cert and all the stupid comments and questions will cease! :rofl3:

You trying to steal my idea.......:no: My patch is only $10.99 and has a naked mermaid on it....:wink:

Jim....
 
"despicable"? "Spit"? In 10 years on this board I've never used that kind of invective. Certainly, there was nothing even approaching that level of insult in the post you quoted and replied to. "Low life scum?" I honestly do not understand how you could possibly interpret my comment " too young and/or too uninterested" as descending to that level of hostility.

You may or may not be older than me. I don't regard age as especially important. I turned 71 last birthday, and have been around scuba equipment for a long time. I think JFK was president when I did my first dive with scuba. This does not mean anything in terms of skill or personal qualifications.

I think I may be a bit too old for some of the things I used to do, and have significantly limited myself in areas like maximum depth, repetitive dives, and anything that is by definition extremely strenuous. Having seen things like j-valves and double hose regulators is unavoidable for those of us who were diving way back then. It certainly does not confer any special quality.

Being unaware (as opposed to having seen) of the existence of early equipment from which contemporary equipment is derived does, I think, suggest a certain lack of interest, but that is a far cry from the kind of thing that you suggest. Perhaps the use of snorkels and mask on forehead issues may elicit the crazed extreme hostility you seem to feel was directed against you, but unfamiliarity with vintage equiment? No.
 
If someone showed up on our boat with a J valve, we would pitch the actuating rod into 500' of water. We were hard core wreck divers and divers would rely on the valve to warn of low air rather than monitoring air pressure. The problem being the way the valve actuates, being pulled down. It was too easy to bump the valve into the down position and find out that when you were out of air, you WERE OUT OF AIR! No reason with modern equipment to own one. this is a throwback to the 1950's when submersible pressure gauges were not common.
 
Perhaps I was too strong in my reaction, but I sensed a smug arrogance in the post. Everyone of us suffers from misconceptions about many things. Everyone of us has mistaken ideas that we have gotten somewhere, ideas that won't be corrected unless we happen to encounter clearly contradictory evidence. We of course will go on believing we are correct until that happens. When we are corrected, we hope it is done with patient understanding rather than condescension.

Let me give a very common example. One of the most famous American writers is Henry David Thoreau. People who have studied his works enough understand that his name should be pronounced like thorough. If you use the correct pronunciation, though, you will likely be corrected by someone who will tell you it is pronounced thu-ROW. Most Thoreau scholars simply avoid the problem by accepting the common misconception and intentionally mispronouncing it themselves. Similarly, when talking about someone's personal strengths, people may use the word forte and mistakenly pronounce it as for-TAY. People who know it should be pronounced fort usually keep their mouths shut and let it pass.

Certain diving equipment that was common decades ago is now exceedingly rare in many parts of the world. It would not surprise me to learn that a very higher percentage, probably the overwhelming majority of divers and employees in the dive industry, have never seen many of those pieces of equipment. It should not be at all surprising to find out that misconceptions abound. It seems to me that the response to such misconceptions should be marked by patient understanding rather than an outright attack on their inadequacies.
 
If someone showed up on our boat with a J valve, we would pitch the actuating rod into 500' of water. We were hard core wreck divers and divers would rely on the valve to warn of low air rather than monitoring air pressure. The problem being the way the valve actuates, being pulled down. It was too easy to bump the valve into the down position and find out that when you were out of air, you WERE OUT OF AIR! No reason with modern equipment to own one. this is a throwback to the 1950's when submersible pressure gauges were not common.

SPG were not common till the 70's.... there were a few tricks to keep the valve in the up position ... And " MOST " divers made it a habit of reaching back to check the rod.... Never had a problem with my J-valve tanks.....

Jim...
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Perhaps I was too strong in my reaction, but I sensed a smug arrogance in the post. Everyone of us suffers from misconceptions about many things. Everyone of us has mistaken ideas that we have gotten somewhere, ideas that won't be corrected unless we happen to encounter clearly contradictory evidence. We of course will go on believing we are correct until that happens. When we are corrected, we hope it is done with patient understanding rather than condescension.

Let me give a very common example. One of the most famous American writers is Henry David Thoreau. People who have studied his works enough understand that his name should be pronounced like thorough. If you use the correct pronunciation, though, you will likely be corrected by someone who will tell you it is pronounced thu-ROW. Most Thoreau scholars simply avoid the problem by accepting the common misconception and intentionally mispronouncing it themselves. Similarly, when talking about someone's personal strengths, people may use the word forte and mistakenly pronounce it as for-TAY. People who know it should be pronounced fort usually keep their mouths shut and let it pass.

Certain diving equipment that was common decades ago is now exceedingly rare in many parts of the world. It would not surprise me to learn that a very higher percentage, probably the overwhelming majority of divers and employees in the dive industry, have never seen many of those pieces of equipment. It should not be at all surprising to find out that misconceptions abound. It seems to me that the response to such misconceptions should be marked by patient understanding rather than an outright attack on their inadequacies.

Let me add two more commomn mispronunciations: Van Gogh and Glenfiddich. It's not "van go" and the name of that excellent Scotch whiskey does not rhyme with 'ditch'. My current favorite written example of this sort of thing is "wahlah" (voila'). I hope this does not sound smug or arrogant. For some reason every time I hear Thoreau discussed I'm reminded of the time he found a hatchling Wood Turtle in the stomach of a Bass he was cleaning. Odd, the things we remember.
 
Let me add two more commomn mispronunciations: Van Gogh and Glenfiddich. It's not "van go" and the name of that excellent Scotch whiskey does not rhyme with 'ditch'. My current favorite written example of this sort of thing is "wahlah" (voila'). I hope this does not sound smug or arrogant. For some reason every time I hear Thoreau discussed I'm reminded of the time he found a hatchling Wood Turtle in the stomach of a Bass he was cleaning. Odd, the things we remember.

I don't think anyone who is not Dutch can pronounce Van Gogh. To me it sounds something like fer-HUGHK, if such a combination of letters can be pronounced by a non-native. Although I differ in the opinion of the quality of Glen-FED-ick, I do agree that it is also mispronounced.
 
Speaking of bars, I was in a bar with a group of colleagues a few years ago when one ordered something that sounded like "Glen fed itch". This individual is not one of my favorite people, reacting as he does with extreme defensiveness whenever he decides, often without any discernable reason, that his profoundly inaccurate and wildly inflated self-perception is being challenged. I (quietly) pointed out that he might consider the pronunciation of Loch Ness or Loch Lomond as a guide. Naturally, he insisted he was correct, and pointed out that the bartender pronounced it the same way he did. This invocation of the basic linguistic rule that usage determines what is correct was compelling. In any case, I prefer a good Irish single malt like Black Bush.
 
I was DOUBLE protected when I started diving. My first US Divers regulator - The famed Calypso, had a reserve lever on it and so did my tanks. I vaguely remember something about replacing the plastic dip stick or post with a metal one on the valve. Icing or breaking off?? As I bought manifolds, I migrated the k's to the older tanks and still use the tanks. YES, I know about the tanks. EDDY tested - Hydro-statically tested and re-certified to 3AL.

There seems to be a lot of hot air on this post.
 
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