The Agency? The Instructor? The Diver?

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GDI

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I have over my time on SB read several threads suggesting that one agency is better than the other. The truth is one agency may be larger than the other but when it gets right down to it no one agency is better than the other. The models from which we base our opinions are often subject to the many individual divers whom we see out at the different dive sites. The agencies all have their standards and wether we agree or agree to disagree, the standards are themselves subject to the interpretation of the instructor. All agencies require that the student diver "MASTER" a skill set. Here is where the differences lay; in the human factor. What one person will consider as suitable compared to another is the difference. Quite often the instructor can only base their assessment upon what they themselves have experienced. I have seen good instructors and bad instructors from all agencies. This judgement of them is of course subject to my interpretation as I am subject to theirs.

The other side to this delima is of course the individual divers themselves, the models to which we base the performance of the agency. Some divers appear to have no need or desire to improve their skills, while others take it as a personal challenge to better oneself.
To the divers whom I believe to be quality divers I have learned that you either fit into a category of having received good training or you have a personal desire to improve yourself or perhaps both.

To prospective divers out there looking to get into scuba, I open my arms to you and welcome you to this wonderful activity. I recommend that you seek out an instructor who will meet your needs and expectations. Do not be looking for the quick and get it done class but rather look for the instructor who you feel will be thorough and fulfilling of those expectations. Do not judge the class's duration/time frame against its quality of instruction, sometimes for some people a longer class is required and for some others it is not. A good instructor will be able to adjust to ensure you learn a skill set without allowing a lacking of quality or mastery of skills. Your class may be intense or it may be laid back, quite often this is determined by the student and their expectations. Other times by the instructor's teaching style. Be leary of instructors who are quick to put down other teaching agencies or other instructors. I would suggest to you that this mindset does not demonstrate a professional image and possibly a lessor quality of instruction. Buyer beware. Seek out the recommendations of others who may have taken training with the instructor you are thinking about AND other instructors. From their comparison you will become better educated as to which instructor you want to teach you. Be objective in your search, ask questions and state your expectations and goals.
Once you have received that certification card regardless from what agency it comes from continue to improve yourself and by all means enjoy the aquatic realm. It is not so much as from the agency that you receive the certification card as it is from your instructor.

Have fun, keep learning and keep diving.
 
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Hank49:
And in other news today, the New England Patriots are not taking the Steelers lightly even though they're favored in this weeks AFC Championship game in Pittsburg.......

And immediately a highjacking. Who do favor Hank49?
 
New England by 9.
 
It's not so simple. Each of those three are major factors in the final product. An excellent instructor can overcome short coming in the standards he follows by adding in extra skills not required by the agency. Unfortunately, the instructor may not be aware anything is lacking from his program. An agency can set standards high enough that instructors are forced to teach a good course (unless he violates standards which is a different discussion entirely). A student can research and seek out additional information his instructor and agency left out. Unfortunately, most students believe everything told to them in class and believe their instructor is a dive God. As a result, most of us end up with poor instruction.

Unfortunately, many people want to absolve agencies of responsibility to produce a quality course. Responsibility for a good course rests with the agency, the instructor and the student.
 
Walter:
It's not so simple. Each of those three are major factors in the final product. An excellent instructor can overcome short coming in the standards he follows by adding in extra skills not required by the agency. Unfortunately, the instructor may not be aware anything is lacking from his program. An agency can set standards high enough that instructors are forced to teach a good course (unless he violates standards which is a different discussion entirely). A student can research and seek out additional information his instructor and agency left out. Unfortunately, most students believe everything told to them in class and believe their instructor is a dive God. As a result, most of us end up with poor instruction.

Unfortunately, many people want to absolve agencies of responsibility to produce a quality course. Responsibility for a good course rests with the agency, the instructor and the student.

Ditto!

Don't judge an agency by how many good instructors it has but by how many bad ones it's standards allow to stay on.

Same with the class...a good instructor can teach a good class inspite of the standards but poor standards permit poor classes.

A great student will learn to dive in spite a lousy agency and a lousy instructor.
 
Walter:
Unfortunately, many people want to absolve agencies of responsibility to produce a quality course. Responsibility for a good course rests with the agency, the instructor and the student.

Instructors who know only one agency because they started with that agency and never looked anywhere else sometimes don't know whether or not the courses they're teaching are comprehensive enough.

It's all very well to say that an instructor should know more than what's in the course he/she teaches, but ultimately IT'S THE AGENCY THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR COURSE CONTENT.

In my experience there are two kinds of agencies: those that respond well to instructor input (you get an e-mail from a real person thanking you for your suggestions and sometimes even asking for clarification and/or elaboration) and those that tell you to shut up, mind your own business and teach the course.

So now I'm dumping one of them and I'm proudly continuing to teach for the other one.
 
FatCat:
It's all very well to say that an instructor should know more than what's in the course he/she teaches, but ultimately IT'S THE AGENCY THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR COURSE CONTENT..

GDI:
The agencies all have their standards and wether we agree or agree to disagree, the standards are themselves subject to the interpretation of the instructor. All agencies require that the student diver "MASTER" a skill set. Here is where the differences lay; in the human factor.

True, I have seen instructors with the same content do different things. I do blieve the combination of the content and Instructor is what makes a good learning diver.

MikeFerra:
A great student will learn to dive in spite a lousy agency and a lousy instructor.
I believe that student will migrate to a better teacher. I'v sen this too.
 
FatCat:
It's all very well to say that an instructor should know more than what's in the course he/she teaches, but ultimately IT'S THE AGENCY THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR COURSE CONTENT.

Agreed, now if only they'll all take responsibility and if we'll all stop trying to absolve them of that responsibility.
 
GDI:
The truth is one agency may be larger than the other but when it gets right down to it no one agency is better than the other.

In so far as the different agencies are not the same in their standards and practices, I don't know that you can accurately claim that they're all equally good or bad. It may well be a fair and valid opinion, but calling it truth might be going a bit far, don't you think?

Rather than say they're all more or less equal, I tend to believe that each is better at some things than others, and that the right choice depends on the individual and his or her goals.
 

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