Tell the Truth - Is your brain rotting?

Do you or does you computer keep track of your dive?

  • I keep track of my profile and I also use a computer

    Votes: 19 42.2%
  • I was taught to profile but don't usually - I use a computer

    Votes: 10 22.2%
  • I was never taught to profile - I use a computer

    Votes: 4 8.9%
  • What is a profile?

    Votes: 1 2.2%
  • I always keep track of my profile and I do not use a computer

    Votes: 7 15.6%
  • None of the above...

    Votes: 4 8.9%

  • Total voters
    45
  • Poll closed .

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Uncle Pug

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My contention is that computers rot your brain...
By that I mean that divers who use computers tend to pay less attention to the details of their time/depth profile during the dive and let the computer do that for them. To some folk that is the main advantage of computers.

The dive profile is your depth at each 5 minute interval during a dive... it is a picture of the dive as it unfolded though it is sometimes expressed as an *average* depth for a period of time.

Please think about the questions and answer as honestly as possible. Think about the last dives you did... do you really remember the time/depth profiles?
 
Sorry Pug, but that is not the standard defination of a dive profile. A dive profile is the chart and information used to figure repetitive groups, RNT, TBT and decompression status during a dive. You'll find examples on the back of some tables (YMCA, NAUI, PDIC, Jeppesen, BSAC and NASDS {on an attached dive planning slate} all have profiles on them. PADI {old & RDP}, DCIEM, MDEA, Michigan don't).
 
Pug, I voted that I use a computer but don't profile but that is per walters def. I am checking my computer thru out my dive to keep track of depth and other pertinent info.

chuckrt
 
I 2nd what the others said ... I always keep track of my depth and time. I do not log it though.
 
Poor Pug,,, the only one suffering from brain rot????

Just kidding buddy....

It's called a "dive manager".... GREAT PIECE OF HARDWARE/SOFTWARE...

I keep track of everything as I look forward to someday being a professional diver... :wink:
 
I guess I was never trained to "profile" my dives the way you define it. When told our plan is to go to 80 feet for the first dive I always checked the table and knew that 35 minutes was my max time. Before getting computers we would give the "down" sign, dive for 35 minutes (whether we reached 80 feet or not) and were at the surface before the watch hit 36 minutes. Plan your dive, dive your plan and if your buddy's ear geeks up if he/she goes below 20 feet you dive at 20 feet for 35 minutes or abort the dive depending on what he/she decides.

I never started paying attention to time spent at other depths until I bought my computer. That sparked a discussion between my buddy and I about how hard it would be to use the tables to figure out your actual group letter on a dive with multiple depths. It's too much like "math" for me but an interesting mental exercise.
Ber :bunny:
 
I MO computers do not rot your brain, that job is monopolized by network television. Like any other tools, computers make a task easier, in this case allowing you to concentrate on other things.

Along the same line of reasoning do balanced regulators atrophy your diaphragm muscles?

While any device can fail today’s computers are very reliable. When used properly they tend to eliminate human calculation errors. They also perform their appointed tasks much faster than a human could. Let’s not forget that computers got the astronauts to the moon, they control every major commercial aircraft and most of our infrastructure (telephone, power, transportation).

As a new diver I have sensed that the SCUBA community generally seems to be very resistant to change. A good example of this is the introduction of Nitrox as described in “The Last Dive,” a very good read by the way. This phenomenon applies to computers.

I take with a grain of salt the statistical information that more people get bent using computers. This information in itself is of dubious value unless all of the mitigating factors can be removed, a task that is probably impossible. For example, what is the experience level of computer users versus gauge users? What was their experience with the computer? Had they recently switch from gauges to computer?

I’m new to SCUBA and always willing to learn, but from what I’ve learned so far here is my philosophy.

For recreational diving which means:
1. No mandatory decompression stops.
2. No overhead obstructions.
3. An equipment failure ends the dive.
4. You dive with a buddy.

All you need is an air integrated dive computer. Your buddy’s computer provides redundancy. If either computer fails, the dive is over and you surface safely using the working computer. Any type of backup is money that could be better spent elsewhere in an expensive sport. Also, any type of backup, a pressure gauge for example just adds complication (oh no, I feel the influence of DIR, another good book by the way). In my estimation, the chances of human error associated with switching from a failed computer to a backup timer, pressure and depth gauges, during a dive, are orders of magnitude higher than that of a computer failure and an unacceptable risk.

Of course diving outside the realm of recreational diving is a whole different question. I’m not ready to tackle that just yet, I need more experience, but my guess is the safest approach, although expensive would be to have two identical computers as described in “The Last Dive.” As a side note, it’s interesting that none of the accidents described in either the Last Dive or the first half of the Andrea Dora book, all of which happened to very experienced divers, are the result of, or influenced by, computer failure.

Mike
 
As a matter of fact, I recall the profile of the last two series of dives quite clearly. The last was too shallow to bother about; the previous ones were square profiles. I always try to keep a mental picture of the profile as I dive it, though not in terms of time nor do I record it other than as a single entry.

But when I'm doing any diving other than one or two simple dives, I rely on my computers. On one trip, I made two dives on nitrox (different mixes) in the morning, followed by two air dives in the afternoon, and finally a night dive on air. Sure, I could sit around calculating via the tables all day, but I'd rather rest, rehydrate, have some chow (and lots of it), and visit the facilities. Then check both computers before gearing up to get an idea of what BT I can expect on the next dive, as well as check that both computers are in reasonable agreement with one another.

If one computer develops a glitch mid-dive, I follow the more conservative (unless it's obvious that that's the one that's cuckoo). If both should happen to fail, I call the dive, and use my remaining air for extended stops at 30' and 15'-20'. Then I stay out until they're both repaired, since they're also my depth gauges and bottom timers.

Constructive criticism is welcome.
 
I have a timer (now a Vyper in gauge mode), a watch, and some tables with my dive plan and contingencies. I plan the dive and dive the plan. If anything unusual pops up, that my contingencies don't cover, I revert to my computer (the one between my ears). I do most of my thinking prior to getting wet and go from there.

We plan for the deepest depth attainable and don't worry much about fluxuations in depth. In fact, I only have a handfull of profiles/that I even use for the deeper dives. This is convenient for the type of diving we do up here because you get familiar with your profiles and plans.

The best part is that I'll often get out faster and cleaner (which is the important part, BTW) than a computer user.

Take care.

Mike
 
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