Scott M
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Your so right. Actually my buddy that is a Warden was a phycologist prior to becoming a Warden. I will be with him Sunday I might pick his brain on this and see what he thinks. I will post his thoughts.cobaltbabe:
Teen burns down school; forced to pay full cost of repair
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Jeez, and to think I agreed with you in your arguement with Snowbear. Until this comment, there didn't seem to be anyone crossing the no politics line. And if they don't have a no politics line in the TOS, maybe they should. tsk, tsk, tsk.chrpai:
chrpai
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[FLAMELIB] is meant as a joke. Seriously it fits this thread, its a perfect example of wanting to give people rights ( as early as 14 by this proposal ) yet not want to punish them as adults when they do something evil.
jonnythan:
NO!!!!! In fact he owes us a hell of a lot more!!! We paid for his mistake!! (loss of use of gym and physical training for the kids) Increased insurance premiums paid by the tax payers due to the large claim. Housing, clothing, food, cable tv, college education, ect while he is housed in the state Holiday inn at an average cost of 63,000 a year.
All because a 18 year old smart ass thought he was more important than the rest of the world and engaged in several illegal acts just because he thought it would be fun.
He has not paid society anything! And he sure don't deserve any pity. I vote for the bullet. If you aren't an asset to society then I think we should just vote you off, permanently.
Hallmac
You had me until this comment. I'll stand in for jonnythan and say that I find this a tad extreme. Now, if you wanted to fit the punishment to the crime and burn him at the stake, well.....Hallmac:
And I remember when I was 18.... I was already covered by the UCMJ.[/QUOTE]
What branch were you in? UCMJ is an all branch encompassing medium of justice. We ALL abided by it and we areALL responsible, productive members of society because of it.
I myself am tired of society making excuses for our inability to be accountable for things we do.
What branch were you in? UCMJ is an all branch encompassing medium of justice. We ALL abided by it and we areALL responsible, productive members of society because of it.
I myself am tired of society making excuses for our inability to be accountable for things we do.
Zippsy:
Sorry I was watching survivor while posting!
Hallmac
LUBOLD8431:
Hmmm....Lubold, U & I have had conflicting views in the past. (genesis issue) We seem to be agreeing on this one though. Something has happened with the most recent generation. They live and make decisions with a sense of impunity.
It's called "restitution." Every state criminal code I've seen has provisions relating to restitution for damage to, or loss of, property caused by a person in the conduct of a crime. The jail time is irrelevant to the issue of property damage. Restitution is intended to compensate the victim who personally suffered. Granted, the victim in this case is the state, but the state did lose real property and has suffered a pecuniary loss.
The damage caused by a murder or drug use is not easy for a criminal court to quantify. It is easy to place a price tag on a building or a car at a restitution hearing--an appraisal or an ad from the Sunday paper can establish value to support a restitution order. A civil action is a better forum for determining the value of a lost life, lost arm, etc., and so you see wrongful death actions or similar cases after the criminal case is completed.
BTW, Sean, on the bankruptcy issue, a criminal penalty is not discharged under §727 or §1328 (Chapter 7 and 13, respectively) of the Bankruptcy Code. He's stuck with the restitution. However, a civil judgment for willful or malicious injury to propety (e.g. arson) against him would be discharged by the "superdischarge" under §1328, but §523(a)(6) specifically excepts such civil judgments from a Chapter 7 discharge. Absent a criminal restitution order, the kid could escape the financial consequences of his action.
