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Kim:
This is very true. However, it's probably a good thing that 'alone' IS perceived as a bad thing by most divers. Let's face it - solo diving isn't for everyone at all so I think we should all be careful how we portray it. I remember when the Solo forum on this board was under discussion. It was clear that a number of very experienced divers and instructors actually thought it was a bad idea to have. It takes a certain mindset and personal responsibility. It's not something that everyone should just be trying to emulate because a bunch of people seemed to give the impression it was OK on a message board.....;)

Good point, Kim. Solo diving isn't for everyone by any stretch of the imagination. As has been stated before, it is a personal decision that each diver has to make for him/herself. I've done some solo dives in my side yard & quite enjoy them- especially when the visability is poorer because my only concerns when I am alone are the enjoyment of MY dive & MY safety on the dive.

A few weeks ago I was on a dive with a group of people & my designated buddy on the dive was... shall we say being less than attentive? I had the feeling that this person would not have ever known if I had wandered off or had a problem. Needless to say, I was not happy because I felt essentially alone when I had not made a decision to dive alone. So, on the second dive, I entered the water with a different mindset entirely- that of treating the dive as a solo dive. I was quite comfortable & enjoyed the dive immensely. I know my personal comfort limits for the type of solo diving that I do & stay within those boundaries. Should I decide to expand my limits, I would definitely think the decison through & carry the gear that I deem necessary to minimize my risk.
 
Kim:
Still - the moment you ARE alone - the risk shifted very significantly......

The risk really only shifts a little bit -- unless the seperated diver's response does not follow training but heads toward panic.
 
Frankly, you should not be alone in the water tying off or anything else alone unless you are prepared to solo because what you are doing IS solo. A simple task like tying off takes only a few minutes but are you prepared to save yourself if anything goes wrong?
It is a contradiction to say that solo diving is too dangerous to do and then state you would do it. Pointing this out is is not baiting or harassing, it is a statement of facts.
 
git-r-dun diver:
I went on a dive in Venice, FL. to look for sharks teeth and they told me I would be diving solo. I was a little freaked out at first but it didn't take long to figure out that it isn't bad. I was very relaxed. I had a great dive. As long as you know your limits and don't push it I think it is fine. You just have to do what you should be doing anyway. Pay attention. Don't expect your buddy to pull you out of a bad situation. Don't put yourself in one and you will be fine.

I also dove Venice Beach this passed month and got a pretty incredible collection of teeth (even a couple of Megladons but not big ones). I was out off Sharky's Pier about 3/4 to 1 mile off shore before even going down... a bit of a swim but I got 154 minutes of diving off my 80cf at EAN32 and surfaced at the surfline with 600psi remaining.

Venice Beach is a cakewalk for a Solo Diver (and anyone searching the fossilbeds is one). There are no obstacles, if you encounter a problem all you have to do is stand up and the same goes for equipment malfunctions... stand up.

Do I support solo diving? I think Sage said it best... Solo divers that die are buddies that separated themselves most of the time or someone who did something stupid (like diving solo in the first place on something technical).

Recently, a San Diego diver drowned on a penetration dive into a ship's Engine Room... clearly marked off limits and covered with rebar... the quote as I read it today in the paper was, "he knew that it was off limits but he died by his own arrogance". One of the problems with confidence is that it overshadows common sense too often.

It seems the more you know about something, the more likely it'll kill you one day. All the 'highly trained' fatalities are by people who went beyond their training... took a chance and paid for it.

I admit that I do know a bit about diving and through my military career, I learned a lot of things but I DON'T solo coupled with anything that can jeopardize my dive... including a lesser trained or unknown buddy. If I go on a dive the first thing I tell the captain or Divemaster is that I'm a photographer... either put me with one or leave me alone... I do not like photographing the silt kicked up by unskilled divers and I will tell you all that MOST decent photographers have bouyancy control to a science.

I support Solo, I support Buddy but what I don't support is arrogance... listen to yourselves bickering and name calling. Get a grip... it's a good question... treat it as such.

And I would dive with any one of you... but I might wander off, after all... one of the rules of diving is self-reliance - if you aren't, then don't dive.
 
And I would dive with any one of you... but I might wander off, after all... one of the rules of diving is self-reliance - if you aren't, then don't dive.

Self-reliance -- every team member should be capable of executing all roles/tasks involved in the dive. But it is a reasonable strategy to plan your redundancy so that it is the team's redundancy, and not every diver has to be redundant in every resource. Of course, that underlying philosophy requires a different behavioral paradigm on the part of the team members -- no wandering off! This is the quintessential opposite of solo diving.
 
Fotoz4FX:
And I would dive with any one of you... but I might wander off, after all... one of the rules of diving is self-reliance - if you aren't, then don't dive.
For a contrast, I would never dive with anyone that had that attitude about our team.
 
Originally Posted by Fotoz4FX
And I would dive with any one of you... but I might wander off, after all... one of the rules of diving is self-reliance - if you aren't, then don't dive.

With that attitude I´d rather not pretend at all and just go solo. If you have a buddy, be a buddy, anything else is just disrespectful...
 
Marvel:
Good point, Kim. Solo diving isn't for everyone by any stretch of the imagination. . .
A few weeks ago I was on a dive with a group of people & my designated buddy on the dive was... shall we say being less than attentive? I had the feeling that this person would not have ever known if I had wandered off or had a problem. . .

When diving in a group I have found (in many cases)
1. A pre-dive briefing by the DM that left me confused.
2. The actual dive occurring in confusion.
3. My feeling that my buddy wasn't the least concerned about my where-abouts or my problems.
4. A feeling of responsibility to 'follow my idiot buddy as he/she ignored the dive plan.
5. A strong desire to get the Dam* dive over.
6. A sense of relief of having survived the ordeal.

Great fun.

Stan
 
mtg:
As someone who has had the importance of your buddy (and being a buddy) pounded into my head. I wonder why people get into solo diving. Many of the stories I have heard about diver deaths have been when the diver went out alone, or went down without a buddy. Is it adrenaline? Necessity (are they grouchy?:light: )?

What say you?

People dive, do many different types of dives, select gear configurations, methods, etc. for many reasons. I would say the majority of those who really get into it, whatever it may be, and aside from any perceived safety or other advantage, do so because they feel an attraction towards it. They like It. They enjoy It. It, is many different things to many different people. In diving it could be solo, buddy, team, deep, wreck, shallow reef, you name it. It, could stimulate a natural attraction to adrenaline, calm, introspection, camaraderie, exploration, fun, and so forth. Along with endless combinations. Some of these apply to solo, some to buddy, some to both.

When the allure of it is strong enough, you can pound them all you want with reason, or nonsense, but it just doesn't really matter. Fortunately most are not in that category.

The majority of diver deaths are buddy associated. And so are the majority of dives done, and the way, method, most divers dive.

Given the immense misconceptions many divers have about fundamental dive methodologies such as Solo, Team and Buddy, I'll bet they didn't really pound, explain or demonstrate in a comprehensive manner the meaning of buddy diving. Many of the teachers don't know themselves, or if they do, they must keep it a secret to themselves.

dkktsunami:
If you are more than one breath away from your buddy you are solo diving.

I have yet to loose a Buddy while Solo diving, be more, or less than a breath away from a buddy, out of sight and so forth. Can't loose what you don't have. Can't do what is not there to be done.

Team divers know they can't afford to loose a team member without significant detriment to the team and its members. Ideally, they will know their responsibilities and how to approach and resolve team problems.

On the other hand, based on rather common practice, you can be more than one breath away, out of sight, without a notion of where your buddy is - and be Buddy diving just fine. At least it seems to be a widely accepted norm. Naturally, when problems develop, it's much preferable to pass on the blame to another dive method approach - Solo. This enables many to keep extolling the virtues of buddy diving, untarnished by reality. No need to fix what is not broken. Somewhere in this fog some will start to question whether any buddy, specially one who is not a team member, is or can be a useful aid.

The notion that the best of teammates is not inevitably an asset is the emergence of the notion of self sufficiency. Don't confuse this with an argument for solo diving. II's not. This is an argument for Self Sufficiency pertaining to safety regardless of dive method utilized.

Kim:
This is very true. However, it's probably a good thing that 'alone' IS perceived as a bad thing by most divers. Let's face it - solo diving isn't for everyone at all so I think we should all be careful how we portray it. I remember when the Solo forum on this board was under discussion. It was clear that a number of very experienced divers and instructors actually thought it was a bad idea to have. It takes a certain mindset and personal responsibility. It's not something that everyone should just be trying to emulate because a bunch of people seemed to give the impression it was OK on a message board.....;)

In regards to non-solo diving, instead of perceiving "alone" as a bad thing I rather perceive it as an ever present negative risk that can be properly prepared for and managed, in order to effectively deal with what can be an ever present and potentially catastrophic problem, much as gas system failure could be. Same as going deep underwater for a prolonged period of time with SCUBA is.

Regarding some or your others comments, I also saw experienced instructors and divers in favor of a Solo forum, not just them though, in the many threads discussing this matter. As for emulation, mindset and responsibility, I see that - as important and applicable to diving - period, whatever method or approach used.

If the pounding is irrational, one can pound away in the head all they want, a la just about everyone can safely buddy dive training agencies/many instructors mantra, but no-one can safely solo. For some reason, it just doesn't register with me. You think I may be defective? Maybe a loose screw or two? Someones nuts, that's for sure.

I am not suggesting anyone dive Solo, I'm not suggesting anyone dive at all. I'm suggesting they learn to recognize and differentiate the wheat from the shaft.
 
Scuba:
I am not suggesting anyone dive Solo, I'm not suggesting anyone dive at all. I'm suggesting they learn to recognize and differentiate the wheat from the shaft.


It's "wheat from the CHAFF".

Otherwise, great post!

FD
 

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