So does this qualify as a near miss?

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Yesterday morning I dove the Spiegel Grove. I dove off a 50 foot dive boat out of Key Largo. There were 12-14 divers on the boat.

The weather was overcast and light rain, seas were reported to be 1-3, but some on board thought they were closer to 3-5. The Captain and DM gave a detailed dive briefing instructing the divers to hold the drift line until buddies were paired up, and then move along the drift line to the tag line connected to the mooring ball, and then follow the mooring line to the wreck. The directions were clear and concise and the DM stressed we were to hold the lines the entire way down and back up.

My Buddy (another single diver who I met on board) and I were roughly the 7th and 8th divers in the water. We paired up and quickly made our way hand over hand across the drift line to the tag line. About half way(35-40 feet) across the tag line all the divers were backed up. After no movement occurred within about 20-30 seconds, and 8 divers were elbow to elbow in some fairly significant seas, I popped my head up to find out what the holdup was. I was surprised to see the 1st diver in line was upright in the water, and appeared to have his reg out of his mouth and was coughing or spitting water. (I noticed he was wearing a snorkel, but I could not tell if he had been trying to utilize the snorkel as he made his way across the Tag line) Upon seeing his apparent distress I yelled to the boat and asked the Captain if the diver was having trouble, but I was apparently not heard. I did however, see the Captain was attentively watching the individual in question.

At this point people are banging into each other left and right as anxious divers in the back of the line are growing impatient being tossed about into one another while they use there gas on the surface. After about 60-90 seconds of no movement down the Tag Line my buddy (recall I was paired with him on the boat) became tired of the wait and quickly dove under the line of divers and descended to the Mooring line, which was in view and probably was not more than 50 feet away from us. I then faced a choice. Stay in the midst of what I quickly sensed was a cluster**** of the first order on the tag line or dive to the mooring line to reteam with my "buddy".

I chose to extricate myself from the elbows, knees, and flailing arms before my mask, fin, or reg was ripped from my body by an inadvertant bobbing, flailing diver. The rest of the dive was fine. The vis was great and the ship was impressive. My Buddy turned into Mark Spitz and proceeded to attempt an underwater individual 400 Meter IM and see all of the Spiegel Grove in one dive. I kept up with him for about 10 minutes, but really was not able to "see" much due to the pace. So here I am at 80 feet just in front of and below the forecastle of the Grove with my buddy swimming for the bow (we were moored on buoy 6? - At 62 feet on the superstructure), and about 1250 PSI in the tank. We had agreed to be on the mooring line at 1000PSI and he is swimming for the bow he is likely at or near 1250 PSI. Finally I said screw this, and kicked back to RELAX a bit and let him go ahead. He was nearly 100 feet out before he noticed I was not with him.

My thought process was: He should not be busting a gut to see the bow when he has to swim 250 feet out and back and get to the mooring line with the agreed upon 1000PSI in the tank. And my busting my gut to follow him made no sense since:

1) he was 50 feet ahead of me, and he was about as useful a buddy to me as the 5 foot Barracuda than was swimming alongside me.

2) If he is not going to take the "buddy" bit seriously, I'll be dammned if I am going to increase my heartrate and all of the corresponding risks associated with hard work at depth, just to follow Mr. Spitz around the ship.

Basically, I said "well, here I am on a large wreck, with irregular currents, with no buddy and no redundant air source....I am going to stay relaxed, watch my gauges and get back to the line with 1000psi, unless some emergency should arise"

My buddy returned within roughly 5 minutes (I was waiting and watching his return at about 65 feet) and we both made the line and back to the boat safely.

Upon returning to the boat we found the diver who had apparently had difficulty on the tag line slouched against his tank on the bench breathing very heavily with his eyes closed and a bloody snot bubble shaped like California extending from his nose to his eye. I asked him if he was OK and he muttered "yah....so hard...never had to work...so hard...the current...". I thought the guy may have been having an episode of some sort. The DM saw the guy answer my question and must have helped him on board. Several diviers discussed the divers condition and agreed it was fortunate he made it back on board.

Shockingly, the diver made the shallower second dive despite the condition he was in during/after the first dive.

I know that was a lot of detail, hopefully not too much. While I am an AOW certiifed diver, I have only been on 4 wrecks below 100 feet, and none as large as the Grove. I have never on any other dive experienced either of the scenarios I experienced on this dive. What I am wondering is:

1) Does this kind of thing happen often, where a diver is struggling on the surface but then continues the dive only to return in rough shape? In hindsight, I think the guy is lucky to be alive. (Apparently he is a dive com (sp) or the equivalent of a DM in SSI or another certifying body). Would you call this a near miss?

2) Was it appropriate to duck the tag line to avoid the cluster**** ocurring on the tag line. Seemed like a good idea to me oce I saw my buddy was not encountering heavy current.

3) Is the type of buddy behavior I experienced common? Would you have done what I did and just let him go and say screw it, rather than race around in his fin wash given the facts laid out above? Any suggestions on what other options I may have considered.

4) Also, I believe only 4 or 5 of us carried a lift bag/surface marker and a reel. I was surprised by the lack of preparedness should "**** happen".


While I enjoyed what I saw of the wreck, what will remain with me from this dive are the unexpected occurrences that could have had dire consequences.

I'd love to hear your thoughts
 
Excellent narrative.


1) Does this kind of thing happen often, where a diver is struggling on the surface but then continues the dive only to return in rough shape? In hindsight, I think the guy is lucky to be alive. (Apparently he is a dive com (sp) or the equivalent of a DM in SSI or another certifying body). Would you call this a near miss?

I don't know if it happens often, but it certainly happens. I was on a dive recently in Dominican Republic where something similar happened. This was the diver's first salt water dive. It was a wreck (sort of...nothing like the Grove) and she was feeling pretty lousy on the surface. When we came back up from the dive, she was sick, bleeding from the nose and had to be towed back to the boat by my buddy. A half hour later, she did the second dive, although she was clearly still feeling pretty sick. I gave her credit for not giving up.

Another diver on that trip jumped in the water, swam out a bit...and had a full blown panic attack. He sat out the rest of the day.

(Incidentally, it's DiveCon, as in Dive Control Specialist. It's SSI's version of a dime master and assistant instructor.)

2) Was it appropriate to duck the tag line to avoid the cluster**** ocurring on the tag line. Seemed like a good idea to me oce I saw my buddy was not encountering heavy current.

This is a judgement call in my opinion. For me, the first rule is safety. Although the dive briefing called for everyone to stay on the line, if the situation appeared unsafe and your deviatiation didn't put anyone else at risk, making the change was probably appropriate. Frankly, I've been on several dives with similar instructions and long before the last person is off the boat, the first into the water are already on the bottom. For me, as long as there wasn't a dive master forced to hunt you down, it seems like a 'no harm done' kind of deal.

Of course, it was your buddy's spontaneous decision, not yours...so that raises other questions. If you and he had agreed to head down early, that's one thing, but his just making that call unilaterally is another matter (see below).

3) Is the type of buddy behavior I experienced common? Would you have done what I did and just let him go and say screw it, rather than race around in his fin wash given the facts laid out above? Any suggestions on what other options I may have considered.

Sadly it is all too common, and competely unacceptable in my opinion. Getting a new buddy on a boat is a crap shoot. It can work out, or it can be a nightmare. When it works out, it's great. In a couple of weeks, I'm heading to North Carolina to dive with a friend who was an insta-buddy last September. He's a great diver and just as importantly, a great guy...instant respect. But that's not always the case.

I think you made the right call. I have let a buddy dive ahead under similar circumstances. The simple fact is, if he or she is that determined to make it a race, they probably aren't going to be much help if there is a problem, anyway.

4) Also, I believe only 4 or 5 of us carried a lift bag/surface marker and a reel. I was surprised by the lack of preparedness should "**** happen".

This is also unacceptable in my opinion. Boats should mandate markers, and not just any marker. They should require a marker that is at least five or six feet long and anyone making a dive like the Grove should know how to shoot a bag...or at least one member of a buddy team should. Most of the boats I have dived from in Florida are now requiring makers...and I think it should be pretty much a requirement for any drift dive or any advanced dive. This is my opinion of course, but it's a reasonable requirement.

Personally, I think learning how to deploy a marker or bag on a reel should be taught in open water class.

Safe diving.

Jeff
 
Glad you enjoyed the dive for what it was anyway and made it back safely. Good job keeping your cool.

Funny you brought this up and I found it. A few years ago I was in almost exactly the same situation you were in. I was on a large boat with about 15 divers heading out to the Grove in somewhat rough conditions. Sound familiar? The big dif. is that I was the guy having trouble at the surface so maybe I can offer some (possible) reasons for his trouble.

At the time, I had about 75 dives, and had completed my AOW as well as other specialties and considered myself pretty comfy in the water but don't most think that when they first start diving, lol? (I'm not so sure now, even with almost 200 dives.:wink: )

Before I even got in the water I was tired from the flight late the night before, I hadn't been drinking enough water, I put my wetsuit on too early, started to over heat, got sick, and I was SO JAZZED to FINALLY be diving the Grove. The DM checked the water and gave a briefing and then said that the current was very strong. So strong that even he wouldn't dive it that day if he were on vacation. Of course, I still wanted to so my wife and I headed in and literally had to pull ourselves to the front of the boat with a long line of divers also fighting the current behind us. I used up all my energy doing this. My wife and I FINALLY decided to abort at about the same time most of the other divers did too and we all let go of the line and crashed into one another beacause the current was so strong. It was a real scooby doo moment. Arms and legs everywhere. A few minutes later I am back on the boat and I am spent. I could barely stand and they gave me oxygen because they were afraid I had actually been at depth. SO, maybe he made the same mistakes I did. Enthusiasm mixed with lack of sleep from traveling mixed with etc..etc.....can spiral out of control very quickly! The snowball effect is a major killer in diving. It really doesn't take much to get it going. I did a lot wrong but I did EVENTUALLY abort. It sounds like he did too and that is what likely caused the hold up. People are slow to react when sick and tired and it also sounded like he may have been on the verge of panic too. He was probably afraid to let go of the line if the current was strong. I feel his pain, lol.

He probably got back in the water later because he was sick and thought he would feel better IN the water. If he never made it to depth at the Grove, the Captain probably thought he would be ok and allowed him to dive at the second site.

Only one couple made it down to the wreck that day. I have since been on the Grove and had similiar conditions except the current was non-existant. Funny spot, the Grove. One day calm and the next day hairy! So, MHOFWIW!

As for your speed racer dive buddy, I really hate that. Luckily my wife is almost as addicted to diving as I am so I have a normal buddy. You did the right thing staying by the line with almost 1000psi. He likely wouldn't be much help to you anyway if he was a speed demon and didn't communicate with you. Stick with your buddy if you can, but at a certain point you have to watch out for yourself if your budy becomes a liabilty. DSAO!
 
Scubadobadoo,

That sounds very familiar and you may have nailed the problem the guy was having. I learned a lot from that 1 dive, and also from your experience. It is scary how certain dives draw you even when you are at less than your best.

The whole situation was a bit hairy as many conflicting options and thoughts were running through my mind at the same time. The thoughts ranged from "come on move it Pal", to "Is this dude alright" and "I doubt I could even help him if neccesary with 6 people between me and him on the Tag line", to "this woman behind me keeps trying to climb over me", to finally the thought my buddy had and I quickly chose, which was "I am going under and getting away from this mess before something untoward occurs".

If nothing else it was one heck of a learning experience, and one I would rather not experience again in the near future.

Glad to hear you can laugh about your rough experience now. That must have been damned hairy, especially having your wife in the same predicament. I bet you were happy as heck to be back on the dive boat after that workout.
 
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Scubadobadoo,

That sounds very familiar and you may have nailed the problem the guy was having. I learned a lot from that 1 dive, and also from your experience. It is scary how certain dives draw you even when you are at less than your best.

The whole situation was a bit hairy as many conflicting options and thoughts were running through my mind at the same time. The thoughts ranged from "come on move it Pal", to "Is this dude alright" and "I doubt I could even help him if neccesary with 6 people between me and him on the Tag line", to "this woman behind me keeps trying to climb over me", to finally the thought my buddy had and I quickly chose, which was "I am going under and getting away from this mess before something untoward occurs".

If nothing else it was one heck of a learning experience, and one I would rather not experience again in the near future.

Glad to hear you can laugh about your rough experience now. That must have been damned hairy, especially having your wife in the same predicament. I bet you were happy as heck to be back on the dive boat after that workout.

I probably would do exactly what you did. Get down to the wreck. It sounds like the crew had an eye on him anyway.

It is kinda funny now but man was it embarrassing at the time, especially as the dive boat cancelled the second dive to turn around and take me to an ambulance. :monkeydan I have to say that the other divers were very nice and nobody complained. I did have a few divers ask me what happened and how come I was looking so much better back at the dock and that hurt a bit but the dive op had to do what they tought was best. I must have really looked like crap, lol!!! :D

I obviously look at dive emergencies and diver issues on a boat from a dif. angle now. I can spot a seasick, over heated, tired diver from a mile away now and try to offer assistance by getting them water or keeping an eye on them. This incident also started a 30 pound weight loss for both my wife and I and we also took a great rescue diver course. Nothing like pretending to do CPR on your wife to wake you up and realize how quickly this sport can turn ugly!

I think the thing that helped the most was having a buddy to talk to when I was ready. I could have spent a nice day at the beach relaxing but NO I had to pay to puke my brains out and get embarrassed instead! LOL! Next time I will go to the beach.:wink:
 
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