Shooting a bag (DSMB) in strong current conditions

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I notice that in the video, the DSMB and reel are kept separate and assembled before deploying. Is that artificial task loading? Or does SSI have a rationale to keep them separate? Also, both DSMB and reel are kept in a pouch, probably to avoid possible unexpected unrolling and entanglements? Or is it more task loading? Finally, the thumb is inserted into the middle of the reel during deployment. That seems like a hazard, a way to lose a thumb or possibly get cuts if the DSMB were to ascend rapidly.
I am not certain if keeping DSMB and reel seperate is artificial task loading and I don't know if SSI has a rationale for this. I keep mine attached and ready for deployment. DSMB deployment was not discussed when I did my training with them. I was only asked to demonstrate that I could deploy one.

I think a few people keep their DSMB and reel in tech pant pockets. I do so to minimise the number of things that I have clipped on my BC.

I personally don't like the way the reel is held in the SSI video and I do not hold mine like that. What I do like in the video is that diver checked his line and placed it within the two sides of the reel before letting go of the DSMB. The line would probably have snagged him and the DSMB could possibly take him on an uncontrolled bouyant ascent if he had not made that adjustment.

I'm not sure what you're arguing here. Are you saying that computers can't be relied upon for depth checks? What about when you're out in the blue, without reference points? If you have reference points, by all means, use them, but if not, then what?

When you're taught to drive, you're told to check the mirrors often, but once you're comfortable with driving, you know that you don't need to check as often because you've gained better situational awareness of what is around you, as you drive in your environment. What is wrong with having depth checks as part of the process? Something that could be used less if there are environmental cues? The video is a training exercise. There's the convenience of having a reef below, but the training could be for out in the blue.
There is nothing wrong with depth checks. I am certainly not saying that computers cannot be relied on for depth checks. I am saying that in certain conditions, it may not be necessary to always check your depth based on your computer.

As an example, I was diving in the Maldives last month and did a lot of channel dives. Maldive channels usually bottom out at about 30m. You drop down, hook in at the mouth of the channel and watch the fish life. When you run low on NDL, you unhook and drift through the channel into the lagoon. I know the bottom of the channel is at 30m. When I am hooked in, I do not to worry about my depth but I would monitor my NDL and air. When I unhook and drift to safety stop, I have a good idea of my depth based on my position in relation to the surface as well as the bottom of the channel which is at about 30m. Drifting to safety stop, I have a good idea where 5m is because that is probably where the dive guide and other divers will be at to do their safety stop. I don't need to race to be the first to hit 5m. Other divers can lead me there. During such dives it was not necessary for me to keep looking at my computer to monitor my depth. I could keep checking my depth on my computer but it was not necessary because of the environment that I was in. It would be more important for me to keep track of my NDL and air.

You asked about dives in the blue. I did do some blue water dives in the Maldives where there is no bottom or wall in sight. This was a totally different environment in which keeping track of depth is more critical, but the environment still offers clues. My fellow divers become part of the environment and my spatial relationsip to the dive guide and other divers offers clues to my depth. If I see that the dive guide and other divers are below me, checking my computer for depth is probably not critical. If I am below everyone else, I may wish to ascend immediately before I check my computer for depth. Depending on computer setup, you may have depth and/or MOD alarms set. Fellow divers may also have similar alarms set and they can provide you with clues. On one dive in February, everyone started going down to be nearer to the fish. I stopped at 36m because I was monitoring my depth and PPO2. The following video is from that dive. You may be able to hear an alarm.


You can tell me that you always want to check your depth based on your computer. That is fine. All that I am saying is that there are times when it is not critical to look at your computer to check your depth. For most of my refreational diving I usually track my air and NDL more closely, but this is not to say that I am not aware of my depth or MOD.
 
When it comes to life and death activities/consequences; I am going to rely on and pay attention to the people that have been there and done that repetitively and are still living to tell me about it.
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The only problem is that there are very qualified people who say different things. For example the OP is a tec instructor and I believe he should certainly be more than qualified to speak about deploying DSMBs. He teaches deployment of 3.3' DSMBs and that they should be ironed out before inflation. My SSI tec instructor is also very qualified. He carries a 10' DSMB and he does not attempt to iron it out. They have both been there and done that repetitively and are still living. Who should I follow? With all due respect to both of them, I evaluate the situation and I am happy with a 6' DSMB and I do not see the need to iron it out before inflating it.
 
CWK: Can you suggest a video of DSMB being deployed correctly?
Among many, I like the one demonstrated by Inner Space Explorers.
Thanks
 
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CWK: Can you suggest a video of DSMB being deployed correctly?
Among many, I like the one demonstrated by Inner Space Explorers.
Thanks
I don't think of any one method as being "correct". You can successfully deploy a DSMB using different methods. According to TDI, "There are many variations to performing this skill as well as selecting the equipment to use, but the overall objective remains the same: deploy an SMB on an ascent line without shooting yourself to the surface." See: Surface Marker Buoy (SMB) Deployment methods | SDI | TDI | ERDI

Everyone is using different gear setups. I think everyone should find a method that makes sense to themselves in relation to their gear.

In the video, the presenter is concerned about donating his reg in a OOA situation. This is very specific to a long hose situation and may not be applicable to a conventional recreational short hose setup. I will certainly explore the subject when I do my next tec course.

At 2:08 he says that he wants to have his left hand free just in case he wants to control his bouyancy. He goes on to mention that in case he has a bigger lift bag he has a chance to deflate his bc. His bouyancy will certainly change if he inflates a bigger bag with more air. For me, I would personally find it easier and quicker to just let go of the bag if it starts to cause a bouyancy problem. YMMV
 
My DSMB has no reel but just a 5m string attached - mainly so I can stow it into the storage pack on my backplate. It's clipped into my rear crotch strap D ring, so I have to unclip that and then pull it out downwards from behind my back.

Deep Water, no current: at safety stop, attach a bolt snap to the line and let it sink down straight, then put air into the sausage, let it go and shoot up and then grab the bolt snap that would be hanging somewhere around your depth within half a second.

Shallow water or current: at safety stop, I put my finger through a silicone ring (cut it out from one of those Octo holders) that is wrapped around the line which I hold in my hand, inflate the sausage and then feed out the line until only the silicone ring is left in my hand.

Nobody ever taught any DSMB skills so that's just how I figured it would work.
 
Quite agree.

Another agency has a video. This one is from RAID. Can anyone explain the rationale of clipping the double ender onto the line?


To prevent the reel from unspooling if accidentally dropped?
 
I note that she did not look up before releasing the SMB. I met a diver last year who told me that he had once been snagged by a SMB and he landed in a decompression chamber as a result. Might be good to teach your students to look up before releasing the SMB.

I was going to comment along these lines as well... other divers or even boats overhead... good to miss. I also like to check my DSMB once I've clipped it off just to get an idea of how much of it is out of the water. In a strong current, it's especially possible that the thing is barely "up".

Having said that, this diver has his/her stuff together. Nicely done.
 
My DSMB has no reel but just a 5m string attached - mainly so I can stow it into the storage pack on my backplate. It's clipped into my rear crotch strap D ring, so I have to unclip that and then pull it out downwards from behind my back.

Deep Water, no current: at safety stop, attach a bolt snap to the line and let it sink down straight, then put air into the sausage, let it go and shoot up and then grab the bolt snap that would be hanging somewhere around your depth within half a second.

Shallow water or current: at safety stop, I put my finger through a silicone ring (cut it out from one of those Octo holders) that is wrapped around the line which I hold in my hand, inflate the sausage and then feed out the line until only the silicone ring is left in my hand.

Nobody ever taught any DSMB skills so that's just how I figured it would work.

Loose line, even 5m of it, in the water is bad news. Keep it on a spool.

To prevent the reel from unspooling if accidentally dropped?

In the comments he says, "the rationale is that the weight of the boltsnap provides a pulley system to the line minimising the risk of overspoolling as the line gets pulled off the spool in deeper dives. Normally the boltsnap would be held in the other hand one the drysuit/wing has regained sufficient buoyancy :-)"

Uh, ok.....? It's not a problem I've ever experienced, nor would ever expect to since you keep proper tension on the spool as it deploys. You also wouldn't hold the boltsnap in another hand. Boltsnaps get clipped to d-rings.

Also, he does a lot of hand switching and weird random stuff, and excessive boltsnap clipping to the line. I'm not entirely sure what's going on here, but he spent a long time screwing around, even as a demonstration.
 

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