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he's too busy talking with his lawyers about their liability. gosh, i don't see how the pres of Honda hasn't died of a stroke from all the stress and anxiety he must feel of this same liability. Hmmm... I don't remember ever hearing of Honda being sued because some idiot dropped his car on his head. I think the manufacturers need to stop hiding behind the BS. A company doesn't have liability for something if they provide safe, reliable products and service parts. Really, I mean its pretty obvious cigarette company's need to be afraid of product liability, but regs are a completely different story. It's sad that the diving industry is still so monopolized. And that's exactly what it is. The consumer has no say-so in the products they recieve. The manufacturers unofficially ban together and hide under the false curtain of liability.
 
rainreg,

Good to see you. You have been kind of quite lately.

Chad
 
jamiei once bubbled...
he's too busy talking with his lawyers about their liability. gosh, i don't see how the pres of Honda hasn't died of a stroke from all the stress and anxiety he must feel of this same liability. Hmmm... I don't remember ever hearing of Honda being sued because some idiot dropped his car on his head. I think the manufacturers need to stop hiding behind the BS. A company doesn't have liability for something if they provide safe, reliable products and service parts. Really, I mean its pretty obvious cigarette company's need to be afraid of product liability, but regs are a completely different story. It's sad that the diving industry is still so monopolized. And that's exactly what it is. The consumer has no say-so in the products they recieve. The manufacturers unofficially ban together and hide under the false curtain of liability.

Jamie.
What you must remember is that large companies have a certain portion of the budget allocated to litigation. Honda HAVE been sued for "cars dropped on heads". But due to the large revenues and healthy bottom lines, they can afford to fend off the claims.
Scuba manufacture's don’t have this luxury.
I’m sure the CEO's of the SCUBA manufacture's have sat around and weighed up the costs of lost revenue as a result of "closed" serviceability versus the cost of litigation. Its obvious what is more expensive.
I don’t entirely blame the SCUBA people, its just sad that the USA is so litigated in every part of business.

Why doesnt the local machine shop down the road make brake calipers? Because he cant afford the lawyers to support his product, whereas PEP boys (or there suppliers) can afford them.


Now I may sound contradictoty here, but my point is, hiding is not the solution, we all need to work toward a solution, starting with a halt to sueing at the drop of a hat.

Dave
 
I think that the local machine shop doesn't makes brake calipers because they don't have the resources to produce enough product to make it profitable in the first place besides the other reasons. And like I said, i'd be glad to sign any waivers they could come up with. I'm not gonna sue anyone for any reason.
 
Thats my belief as well, Id actually sign waivers, contracts, ANYTHING!!!, but the legal system is such that a waiver doesnt mean squat.
There are thousands of cases out there where a waiver was signed, but the company still lost in litigation.
I personally know a case where a person signed a waiver, broke ALL the rules, jumped a fence, ignored a sign, did something VERY silly, and still sued and won.

Basically its not that simple, and once again, in a small market its hard to justify the cost of having a legal team draft, implement and manage a waiver, not to mention, you would still need to defend claims against the waiver.

Why dont you do a poll and see how many people would actually service their own regs if they could. It wont be that many.
Its only a few people like you and me who jump up and down about it, and at the end of the day, we still buy the gear.
Sadly WE just dont have the clout, and they dont want the risk or associated costs.
Until such time as SCUBA is a Multi Billion Dollar Industry, I think we may me stuck with having to rely on service tech's.

Dave

PS. Brake calipers model was Hypothetical
 
Aquamaniac once bubbled...
I personally know a case where a person signed a waiver, broke ALL the rules, jumped a fence, ignored a sign, did something VERY silly, and still sued and won.
BASE jumping?
 
Aquamaniac once bubbled...
...Why dont you do a poll and see how many people would actually service their own regs if they could...

Check out this poll: http://www.scubaboard.com/t6833/s.html

Not that scubaboard is representative of all divers, or that people respond to polls the way they would if given the opportunity to actually get service training, but only about 15% weren't interested in learning about servicing their own regs.
 

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