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Hello all,
I have a question, i did my open water diver and advanced in holland, i did a medical examination and everything was fine.
I also mentioned the doctor that i was on the medication seroxat, and this wasen't a problem.

Now i read that diving with seroxat is possible but under limitations.

Now i am confused. I dive for 2 years and never encoutered any problems.


Can you help me out???

P.S. In normal life i don't have any side effects, i have a normal job, occasionaly i drink a beer like anybody else does, i don't have complaints about seizures, i am not suicidal or depressed.

I have to take this medication because my own body isn't making enough on its own
 
seroxat or Paxil (in the US) is generally pretty safe. You already mentioned no problem with seizure or suicidal thought so that's the two main concern with this drug while diving. Although your reasoning for taking it seems a bit unusual.
Anyhow, other possible side effects which may not be good for divers such as acute closed angle glaucoma, hyponatremia (low sodium in the body) are incredibly rare so I would agree with your doctor that generally speaking, it should be a safe drug for diving.
 
The reason i mentioned for taking it is while i read a couple of articles on the internet wich were about the risk of diving if you are on this medicine and suffer of blurness, disiness etc.

What i actually wanted to say is that in normal life i act like a normal person.
 
I am not sure about blurriness but as far as dizziness goes, it is reported most often when a person try to discontinue the drug.
So if you are on stable dose, doing well and don't suffer from any side effects as a whole, I think the chance of developing a new side effect while diving is pretty minimal.
You can also get more information about the drug at
www.paxil.com . The manufacturer did put up a long list of rare and infrequent side effects, possible drug interaction etc there.

As far as I know, the drug itself should not give much trouble as far as diving goes, some people may have certain side effects from the drug that may preclude them from diving such as seizure (very rare), but otherwise it shoud b ok.
 
We seem to be stumbling along here based on incomplete information, and perhaps dangerously so.

Might I inquire:

1. What is the diagnosis for which you are taking this medication? Underlying conditions can be of more significance to safe scuba than the drugs used to treat them.

2. How much are you taking? Real or potential adverse reactions to Seroxat can be dose dependent.

3. What exactly was it that you read/heard/experienced that has caused you to become concerned? You indicate that you've been on the drug for several years already without problem.

Best regards.

DocVikingo
 
Hi DocVikingo,

Thank you for your reply, i can give you the following answers:

1. My own body doesn't produce enough serotonine by itself, so i have to take this medication. It took the docters a while to figur that out.

2. I take 20mg a day.

3.What i have read is that the opinions are different in this case. Some say that diving isn't allowed, some say it is but just shallow diving, some say no problem at all.

Especially the pressure under water in conjunction with the medicine is where i am a little bit woried about, and other possible side effects
 
A diagnosis still has not been established in this thread, but based on the drug I'm guessing that it's a psychiatric one, most likely a mood/affective disorder such as depression. It could also be an anxiety-mediated condition like obsessive-compulsive disorder or even panic attacks.

Can you be more specific than that your body is not producing enough serotonin?

Best regards.

DocVikingo
 
I really didn't want to live. I was wrestling with the impulse to jump onto the subway tracks on a daily basis. My doctor had me on an SSRI. My depression was precipitated by a terrible thing that happened to me. I believe that misery was a totally appropriate response to horrifying circumstances. Sleeping forever seemed like a better option than going on with the pain of living.

Diving might have saved my life.

I threw the drugs away so I could honestly say that I wasn't taking medication for depression. I started diving. I stopped seeing the therapist. I'm a different person now, despite the obstacles that life continues to hurl at me. I lost one reason for living, and found another one under the water.

My situation has nothing to do with yours. Your situation has nothing to do with anyone else's situation. In fact, according to PADI, depression, whether or not it is successfully treated with medication, is not an absolute contraindication for diving. I don't know about other agencies.

It would probably be a good idea for you to discuss your diving with the doctor who has prescribed the drug for you. It would also be a good idea for you to contact both DAN and the manufacturer of the drug to ask whether anyone has ever investigated the effcts of the drug on divers. I don't think you will find an absolute answer on this board.

Good luck.
 
Hi DocVikingo,

For 7 years i suffered of depressions that wouldn't go away.

I have been to a psychiatrist and he discovered that this was caused by a lack of serotonine.

He started to subscribe me seroxat and after a few weeks the problems were gone.

After a year he told me that it was time to look if i still needed the seroxat and asked me to reduce the dosis. Wen i did this the problems of feeling restless and depressed came back.

At this point he told me that this serotonine wich everybody has in it's body by nature, wasn't produced enough by my own.

After 4 years i tried again to cut down on this medicine together wit another therapist, but again after a few weeks the problems came back. This therapist also conclude the same as my previous docter, that there is a shortage of serotonin. He couls also based this of several sessions wich i had with him, were no indications in my live or enviroment that explain this problems in a psychiatric way.

So like i said, i have no side effects i normal life, i was very comfortable during the dives i made and enjoyed it.

I hope you have enough data on me now to advise me in this case.

Kind regards,

Joshua
 
Yes, this is the information that we need in order to move ahead.

Depression such as you describe is more common, and more painful, than many realize. Happily, a substantial number of people with this disorder show good to excellent response to medications such as Seroxat/Paxil (paroxetine), a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI).

This class of drugs doesn't really "produce" serotonin, but rather allows the body to make the best use of the serotonin that it has at the time. In due course, it is hoped that the level of natural serotonin will rise again, and that the SSRI can be gradually withdrawn. However, as seems to be the situation with you, in a number of cases discontinuation is not possible without the return of signs & symptoms. When this occurs, the drug must be taken chronically. There is nothing wrong with this as long as it has been objectively demonstrated that continuance is necessary.

As regards depression & diving, I suggest that at your leisure you read the "Depression & Diving: Part II. Making the call on recreational diving" article in the Jul/Aug '03 issue of DAN's "Alert Diver" magazine. This piece can be found at http://scuba-doc.com/alertdiver2.html As you will see, factors related to the disorder itself as well as to its treatment must be considered.

That article concludes by examining several models for making decisions on fitness to dive with depression. The approach that I suspect the majority of divers will find the most appealing, and the one I’d want applied to me if ill, reads as follows:

"3. Assume that depression and the drugs used to ameliorate it do not preclude diving provided that: (a) mental status examination demonstrates the condition to be well controlled; (b) the diver on medication has been on for an extended period and side effects dangerous to scuba are neither reported nor observed upon careful examination; (c) there are no other contraindications in the clinical picture; and, (d) the diver feels he is up to it and fully comprehends the remaining risks."

I of course have no way of judging the accuracy or completeness of what you have reported thus far, e.g., "In normal life I don't have any side effects, I have a normal job, occasionally I drink a beer like anybody else does, I don't have complaints about seizures, I am not suicidal or depressed." However, let's look at each of the points in the above decisional model as they seem to apply to your case:

(a) Your condition is well controlled;

(b) You are taking Seroxat 20 mg/day, a standard dose for most healthy adults. You have been on it for many years and do not report any side effects;

(c) You make no mention of other contraindications in the clinical picture; and

(d) You feel up to diving, and have been doing so for a couple of years without problem.

We now arrive at what seems to be the crux of your inquiry-- fully comprehending the remaining risks.

Seroxat is generally well tolerated. The most common side effects of potential significance for scuba include fatigue, nausea, sleepiness, dizziness, shakiness & nervousness Luckily, you do not report any of these, either topside or while diving.

Rare adverse reactions of potential significance to scuba include seizures and precipitation of a manic event (e.g., groundless or excessive feelings of well-being and happiness, racing thoughts, poor judgment, recklessness, easy distractibility). Both of these conditions have been reported in from 0.1 to 0.4 % of people taking SSRI's like paroxetine, although they are much more likely at the upper end of the dosage range. You also report no history of these. However, should either of these occur during scuba, the dangers are obvious. Just as an aside, a number of people experience their first seizure upon entering cold water.

Finally, although it has neither been studied nor demonstrated, there is at least the theoretical possibility that the known nervous system effects of increased partial pressures of nitrogen and of oxygen could be additive with those of paroxetine.

Given the cited "Alert Diver" article & the above discussion of paroxetine, you should have a general understanding of some of the remaining risks. Of course, the level of risk one is willing to incur by diving with any medical or psychiatric disorder is a personal one to be made after consultation with one's doctor(s).

This is educational only and does not constitute or imply a doctor-patient relationship. It is not medical advice to you or any other individual, and should not be construed as such.

Best regards.

DocVikingo
 
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