Judging from your profile photo, I'd guess 3 or 4. BTW, cute photo.
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Judging from your profile photo, I'd guess 3 or 4. BTW, cute photo.
Wristshot
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Doc Intrepid,
"Oh Please . . ." yourself. --*smiling*-- (with all due respect)
You are injecting your own biases (as am I, of course). On each of the examples that you gave, it would be reasonable to nicely suggest to newbies that there are lots of previous threads that beat those subjects to death, and that there is a Search function that will show them lots of threads on those subjects, and maybe even a couple words on how to use the Search (or not).
Again, much of goes back to the "delivery" of the posts telling people to use the Search. You are in agreement that there is no need to be rude about it. Look at the original post and you see that the word used was "snap". That is the part that gets under the skin of most people. (Of course Veterans would already know about the Search Function and those particular hot-button discussions, so feel free to pummel them.)
Yes, there are some GREAT posts out there that give some really good information on some subjects. And for some of those subjects, very little has changed. (of course there are some posts in the archives by some pompous blowhards or self-worshipping self-important know-it-alls, but that is a different whine)
However, I have seen (and asked, and answered) questions about Dive Operations or restaurants or hotels or other such things that can be somewhat time dependent. While there might be some value to searching for what someone said about some hotel in Roatan three years ago, I am much more interested in what experiences people had at that hotel last week or last month. So "search" is not always the only answer.
Sometimes newbies ASK a question just to kind of "get their feet wet" so to speak. When their first foray into the ScubaBoard is slapped down, they tend to be gunshy and hesitant to get involved. Seeing someone get "snapped at" will suggest to others in the wings to use the search function, but it also makes them less likely to post.
Also, sometimes newbies are looking for an opportunity to post a substantive REPLY about something, anything, preferably something they know something about. When a nice post asking a simple question comes along, they may finally choose to jump in with a reply. How do you think they feel when they send out their precious post, only to see the follow up post slam the originator for not searching and squelch the thread.
I agree that perhaps the technical subjects wouldn't be the best place for them to start, but we all had to start somewhere.
BTW, I was treated to (what seemed to me at the time) a rather rude "search the archives" response when I made my first thread a while ago, so this whine hits close to home for me.
Just some of my unsolicited opinions.
"Can't we all just get along?"
Clearly I am making way too much about all this (and no I am not angry) but it has festered a bit ever since I was a newbie SBer. Of course this is the proper forum for my sniveling.
Wristshot
PS: ScubaGirl15, I knew that you weren't 15 from previous posts, but I had to throw that in there anyway.
"Oh Please . . ." yourself. --*smiling*-- (with all due respect)
You are injecting your own biases (as am I, of course). On each of the examples that you gave, it would be reasonable to nicely suggest to newbies that there are lots of previous threads that beat those subjects to death, and that there is a Search function that will show them lots of threads on those subjects, and maybe even a couple words on how to use the Search (or not).
Again, much of goes back to the "delivery" of the posts telling people to use the Search. You are in agreement that there is no need to be rude about it. Look at the original post and you see that the word used was "snap". That is the part that gets under the skin of most people. (Of course Veterans would already know about the Search Function and those particular hot-button discussions, so feel free to pummel them.)
Yes, there are some GREAT posts out there that give some really good information on some subjects. And for some of those subjects, very little has changed. (of course there are some posts in the archives by some pompous blowhards or self-worshipping self-important know-it-alls, but that is a different whine)
However, I have seen (and asked, and answered) questions about Dive Operations or restaurants or hotels or other such things that can be somewhat time dependent. While there might be some value to searching for what someone said about some hotel in Roatan three years ago, I am much more interested in what experiences people had at that hotel last week or last month. So "search" is not always the only answer.
Sometimes newbies ASK a question just to kind of "get their feet wet" so to speak. When their first foray into the ScubaBoard is slapped down, they tend to be gunshy and hesitant to get involved. Seeing someone get "snapped at" will suggest to others in the wings to use the search function, but it also makes them less likely to post.
Also, sometimes newbies are looking for an opportunity to post a substantive REPLY about something, anything, preferably something they know something about. When a nice post asking a simple question comes along, they may finally choose to jump in with a reply. How do you think they feel when they send out their precious post, only to see the follow up post slam the originator for not searching and squelch the thread.
I agree that perhaps the technical subjects wouldn't be the best place for them to start, but we all had to start somewhere.
BTW, I was treated to (what seemed to me at the time) a rather rude "search the archives" response when I made my first thread a while ago, so this whine hits close to home for me.
Just some of my unsolicited opinions.
"Can't we all just get along?"
Clearly I am making way too much about all this (and no I am not angry) but it has festered a bit ever since I was a newbie SBer. Of course this is the proper forum for my sniveling.
Wristshot
PS: ScubaGirl15, I knew that you weren't 15 from previous posts, but I had to throw that in there anyway.
This is one of the reasons we have added the articles section to our site; in time we hope to collect a large number of articles written by experienced divers to answer many of the common questions asked over and over on the board. If you see something be asked and reasked and you feel you have a good answer write that answer up and submit it to us and maybe the next time the question comes up you can just paste a link to your article?!
OP
Wristshot:
My sentiments exactly. To be honest, I still post as little as possible...for fear of being jumped on just for shooting the breeze! 'Course, there's also the fact that I have more to learn than I have to share, so better for me to zip it than to let'er rip!
maj2
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There is definitely no such thing as a dumb question. There are dumb answers, and a simple "do a search!" is close to qualifying.
Sure, we all get tired of reading what seems like the same question in every other forum ("Anybody seen Open Water- The Movie?"). Although we may have seen the same question dozens of times, it doesn't mean that the latest poster has seen them. Nor can we assume that a new member knows how/where to search. There's no excuse for rude responses. (There's always the thread on "Whatever happened to Respect?", but it very quickly had little to do with respect.)
I have always used the search feature a great deal, and that is probably why my post count is so low! I tend to believe that an "original" question is rare, and has probably been asked before. This seems to be the case anywhere, not just in a forum such as this.
I have learned the answers to questions that I wanted to ask (eg What kind of diving could I expect in Brockville, Ontario?). :07:
I have also learned something about topics I didn't realize I might be interested in (eg What is this DIR thing everybody keeps taking about?).
I have also learned the answers to questions for which I wish I had never searched (eg. What is the Warhammer Manoevre?) :11:
I will continue to watch, read and learn. I check in the SB daily (at least), and always look forward to what I will pick up each time.
Sure, we all get tired of reading what seems like the same question in every other forum ("Anybody seen Open Water- The Movie?"). Although we may have seen the same question dozens of times, it doesn't mean that the latest poster has seen them. Nor can we assume that a new member knows how/where to search. There's no excuse for rude responses. (There's always the thread on "Whatever happened to Respect?", but it very quickly had little to do with respect.)
I have always used the search feature a great deal, and that is probably why my post count is so low! I tend to believe that an "original" question is rare, and has probably been asked before. This seems to be the case anywhere, not just in a forum such as this.
I have learned the answers to questions that I wanted to ask (eg What kind of diving could I expect in Brockville, Ontario?). :07:
I have also learned something about topics I didn't realize I might be interested in (eg What is this DIR thing everybody keeps taking about?).
I have also learned the answers to questions for which I wish I had never searched (eg. What is the Warhammer Manoevre?) :11:
I will continue to watch, read and learn. I check in the SB daily (at least), and always look forward to what I will pick up each time.
Wristshot
Contributor
Double Bingo.
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Wristshot:
Yes, you are.
