SCUBA skills enhanced by snorkeling

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sharkmasterbc:
... watch out because while skin diving we are "holding our breath"...which is completly opposite to what is taught in SCUBA (remember the golden rule)...

Might I offer a suggestion. Most freedivers I know (and I am one of them) don't hold the snorkel in their mouths during the dive. If you think there is even a remote possibility of confusing the all-important "muscle memory" of continuing to breathe while fully submerged, simply remove the snorkel from your mouth (AFTER your last big breath on teh surface, mind you) just prior to leaving the surface. That way, the feel of just water on your face with no snorkel should aid you in either holding your breath, or if you insist, exhaling that tiny stream of bubbles.
 
Regardless of which skills you choose to practice, you can only improve your comfort in the water by being in the water. It certainly won't harm your diving technique, and no doubt will enhance your confidence, after which you may find that the skills come easier anyway. It is always easier to perform when you are at ease.
I hope you enjoy both the snorkelling and your next batch of diving.
 
sharkmasterbc:
remember the golden rule

This is a bit confusing. What does, "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you," have to do with skin diving being good for SCUBA divers?

sharkmasterbc:
We still teach skin diving in confined water but it is a completly seperate module now and on that night the students do not even go near SCUBA gear, I think this helps make the distinction between the two completly different styles of being underwater.

I'm totally missing your point here too.
 
There is only one slight problem, in that freediving is focused on taking a full deep breath of air and holding it, whereas with scuba, Cousteau's Rule #1 is "Never hold your breath... ."

The historic NAUI and YMCA way of teaching scuba was first to teach you freediving together with many freediving skills, then to subsequently wean you onto the scuba gear. This is also how scuba diving skills were first developed, by Florida and SoCalif (and French and British and Italian) freedivers. That is also how I learned. We became freedivers first, then scuba divers second. This is also how I taught my wife, since I wanted her to learn the traditional approach as well, and I wanted her to get used to the ocean with fins, mask, and snorkel before being incumbered with tanks and gear.

There is a drawback to this approach, in that it tends to reinforce the breathholding practice, even during the scuba phase. The habit is unconscious. You do not realize you are doing it.

I do not teach scuba students to be freedivers first. I teach them "Never hold your breath on scuba." The reason is risk related and insurance related. And therefore that also rules out freediving training before scuba, in my opinion.

With my wife, I had the luxury of being able to take all the time in the world to teach her, first snorkeling, then freediving, then scuba, then nitrox. You do not have that luxury with a class of students.

Having stipulated those paradoxes, there are mask clearing skills you can do just fine for snorkeling. Go over in the shallow end of the pool, sit on the steps, make sure you can breathe through your snorkel while sitting underwater, with your snorkel sticking out of the water, then flood your mask, and clear it, while you continue to breathe on your snorkel. That will help you with mask clearing on scuba as well.

There are also fin skills that you can practice while snorkeling, such as snorkeling on the surface, then trying to fin backwards with your fins only. This works as well on the surface with snorkeling as it does underwater on scuba.

Strengthening your frog kick fin technique can also be practiced while snorkeling on the surface. A small frog kick is the most efficient way of propelling yourself underwater, rather than a big flutter kick. Most instructors do not teach this in basic open water, and so you must wait to learn it yourself from the divemasters at the exotic warm water resorts (Florida Keys, Hawaii, Mexico, Caribbean, etc.)

Blast clearing your snorkel is a good way of developing comfort with blast clearing your scuba regulator as well. You can practice that anytime your snorkel gets water in it.

I do not believe it is necessary or wise to teach everyone to be freedivers before scuba, simply because of the short time that is now involved in most basic open water courses. And there is not time to learn and then un-learn breathholding.

Snorkeling on the other hand has some good applications before scuba, which enhance scuba skills later.
 
durian:
I am an AOW diver and want to ask you experienced vets a question. I will be going back to Thailand in June. I am thinking that if I do some snorkeling that I can practice some diving skills. For example, mask clearing, bouyancy, etc. I know it is limited but I have had the most problems with bouyancy and masks. I have purchased a good fitting TUSA Platinum and want to play with it as well as practice bouyancy just by exhaling and expanding air in chest. Obviously snorkeling is much cheaper than diving and I can do it from the beach. Does this sound worthwhile to you, or do you think that practicing these skills without the weight etc may be a wasted effort? Any other skills that can be practiced in a snorkeling environment?
I'm not sure I qualify as an "experienced vet", but hey, that's never stopped me before.
I was raised in Santa Monica, CA, and spent my pre-diving youth body surfing, swimming and snorkeling in the ocean and I think all of it helps my comfort in the ocean on scuba today. IMHO any additional time in the water helps enhance scuba skills.
Last year I made several dives at Monastery beach in Monterey, CA, which has a very bad reputation for it's shore break, which has even claimed a life recently. By studdying the surf before entering, and then again before exiting, I just timed the breakers and easily walked in and then out (others were crawling out with waves pounding their backs - crazy).
Beach entry and exit is just one scuba skill that can be improved by skin diving. Surf, current, surge, waves - all shared by both.
 
I do not believe it is necessary or wise to teach everyone to be freedivers before scuba, simply because of the short time that is now involved in most basic open water courses. And there is not time to learn and then un-learn breathholding.
Originally Posted by sharkmasterbc We still teach skin diving in confined water but it is a completly seperate module now and on that night the students do not even go near SCUBA gear, I think this helps make the distinction between the two completly different styles of being underwater

Arent we a little overboard here? If your time is that short and their abilities that short, I would recommend you mail them their C card under a assumed name
 
quimby:
Arent we a little overboard here? If your time is that short and their abilities that short, I would recommend you mail them their C card under a assumed name

You have missed the point.

The scuba store will not let you teach endless numbers of pool and open water classes with the rented gear.

The students themselves are often in a hurry to get their certs so that they can go on their scuba holidays.

The dynamics of teaching scuba are complex.

That is why I believe there is no longer any room in a basic open water course curriculum for freediving instruction and training, among other problems mentioned supra. Neither do the teaching standards require it.
 
sharkmasterbc:
Golden rule of scuba....never hold your breath...


Walter meant that you confused The Golden Rule (Jesus' "do unto others as you would have them do unto you") with Rule #1.

There are various Rule #1's.

For most, Rule #1 is "never hold your breath".

For others, Rule #1 is "anyone can call the dive".

For some others, Rule #1 is "never dive with a stroke" meaning someone trained by another agency than your own agency.

For yet others, Rule #1 is "clear your ears early and often" since most scuba diving injuries relate to ear damage.

It's complicated.
 
IndigoBlue:
That is why I believe there is no longer any room in a basic open water course curriculum for freediving instruction and training,
Wow, that's too bad. Maybe I'm old-school. but it seems to me like a no-brainer that a scuba diver needs to have basic skin diving skills.
I guess it's like learning to drive automatic transmission cars with out being able to drive a stick shift. Knowing how to do the first makes you better at the second.
 

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