Reverse Squeeze

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lttleldydver

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I'm a fairly new diver and new to this board. Recently on a trip to Fiji I experienced what I could only imagine to be a reverse squeeze. I have had issues on past dives getting my ears to clear. But, this has always been on the way down and usual techniques eventually get me where I need to be. This time our max depth was 80ft. All was ok until I came up to about 30ft. Then, intense pain and a sort of "hissing" in my right ear. I decended and then came back up. Had to do this a couple times. Also had to clear sinus blood from my mask. Boy, it is a weird feeling not to want to return to the surface! Other than clogged ears and a little blood, all seemed well. Ok, so my questions are twofold. Do you think this was in fact a reverse squeeze or something else more serious? After an hour surface interval, would you have gone on the second dive (I opted out)? Haven't dove since and I admit to being really nervous.
 
lttleldydver:
I'm a fairly new diver and new to this board. Recently on a trip to Fiji I experienced what I could only imagine to be a reverse squeeze. I have had issues on past dives getting my ears to clear. But, this has always been on the way down and usual techniques eventually get me where I need to be. This time our max depth was 80ft. All was ok until I came up to about 30ft. Then, intense pain and a sort of "hissing" in my right ear. I decended and then came back up. Had to do this a couple times. Also had to clear sinus blood from my mask. Boy, it is a weird feeling not to want to return to the surface! Other than clogged ears and a little blood, all seemed well. Ok, so my questions are twofold. Do you think this was in fact a reverse squeeze or something else more serious? After an hour surface interval, would you have gone on the second dive (I opted out)? Haven't dove since and I admit to being really nervous.

It may have been a reverse squeeze, but you did well not to push the second dive.
Regardless, IMO you should see a good ENT, preferably one who is familiar with diving in case it was more than just some congestion.

MD
 
Firstly, you are not the only one. Check out the poll and please vote..

http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?t=53727&page=4&pp=10

Secondly, we often call that a reverse block rather than a squeeze, because the pressurized air is trying to get out, not squeezing in, and you had both middle ear AND one of the four sinus areas blocked.

I personally would not have dove the second dive, as I like my ears the way they are.

You should visit an ENT (Ear Nose and Throat) doctor familiar with diving, before you dive again.
 
On the wise choice to skip the second dive.

Most divers have had a block at one time or another.
For most it is a one time thing.
 
Haven't dove since and I admit to being really nervous.

i would strongly second (or third) the advice to go see an
ENT that knows about diving and see that nothing serious
is wrong.

i wouldn't worry about it too much from just happening once
(though i would definetely go see the doctor ASAP).
 
Gee
Hate to beat the dead horse, but I echo that you should really see an ENT. I used to work in that field and the hissing and blood is sometimes not a really good combination. In a worst case scenario, the hissing could have been expanding air in your middle ear escaping out of a forced rupture in your ear drum.

Gotta have it looked at in my opinion...

JAG
 
lttleldydver:
I have had issues on past dives getting my ears to clear. But, this has always been on the way down and usual techniques eventually get me where I need to be. This time our max depth was 80ft. All was ok until I came up to about 30ft. Then, intense pain and a sort of "hissing" in my right ear. I decended and then came back up. Had to do this a couple times. Also had to clear sinus blood from my mask.

I absolutely agree with your decision and other posters advice here.

If you feel reverse block or squeeze, sometimes evidenced as you describe, but more often felt as a crippling piercing pressure in one of your facial sinus cavities (just under your eyebrows or below and around your nose bridge). There are some ways to deal with it.

If you feel the pressure, be prepared to descend again, as you did. Now- think about what this really is. It is the reverse of pressurizing your sinus cavities upon descent (usualy with the valsalva "blowing your schnozz" technique).

You have too much pressurized air trapped in your sinus cavities and it is trying to get out through the tiny tubes- maybe now swollen shut- from whence it came in. At depth it was fine- but as you ascend and the gas expands- it's gotta get out- thus the squeaking you heard. It was just air escaping through this swollen duct.

What can you do to assist? Get at that comfortable depth and...How about a reverse valsalva.... basicaly close off your mouth with your tongue, pinch your nose- and suck gently (inhaling as it were) against your upper respiratory sinus areas. Kinda like suckin a booger :11ztongue , an art much more practiced by boys than proper girls. Vigorously finger massage your affected sinus areas and also the areas that lead toward your upper gum line at your nostril. (Check a sinus location map in your dive books). With a combination of massage and sucking- I've never had one beat me.

Your first step is always to take care of your sinuses :10: and not mistreat them on the way down or pre dive. Start equalizing before you hit the water, descend in a head up position. Avoid non dive activities such as smoking or drinking. Certain medications work well for some divers allowing their sinuses to remain open. I do not recommend them until you take active steps to eliminate any factors that might cause sinus issues pre emptively.

First aid following is rest and Ibuprofin. Always bring it along, take it immediately upon any barotrauma such as you describe.

These are techniques you can only express to someone who is not in need of them at the time. There is little or no communication :eyebrow: possible with a diver in this distress.
 
Kinda like suckin a booger , an art much more practiced by boys than proper girls.

ah dude... i was eating ice-cream when i read that.

there went my appetite

:wink:
 
Thanks all, ENT here I come. Becuase of past problems, I went before this trip. So, at least I know nothing was wrong b4. Believe it or not, I can't find an ENT that publicizes diving knowledge in San Diego (yes, I even contacted DAN). If you know of one, let me know. Otherwise, I'm checking out a retired Navy GP. Thanks again.
 

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