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While I just show my gage to my buddy when he asks how much air I have .. I do have a good idea of how much gas I'll need to surface at any point in the dive .. it's easy and I can do it in my head for any depth we are currently at ... I think that putting all your (air) eggs in a dive guides basket without having any clue to much air you need to get to the surface, is not a good feeling, nor a good idea
 
AT the risk of heresy, surfacing with more than 0 psi is a successful dive. But I too believe building in a margin of a few hundred psi.
DivemasterDennis

Not heresy, just another SCUBA fact.

That being said, there are a number of reasons to have air in the tank on the surface aside from avoiding nonscheduled maintance.
  • Add air to the BC. Try manual inflation when tired, excited, and sinking. Who trains for it? Can you drop your weights quickly?
  • Long swim in choppy water. Not a much of a problem if you believe in snorkles.
  • Surf exit in case of a faceplant.
  • Allows for submerging to avoid obstacle (e.g. kelp) or surface current.

Add your own to the list if needed.


Bob
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I may be old, but I’m not dead yet.
 
I find it best to plan my gas usage from the end of my dive backward. I never plan on emptying my tank (and never have). I usually plan to arrive at the rest stop with at least 500 psi (Al80 or HP100). From depths of 80 +/- that means start the ascent at 750psi. If there is any challenge at all navigating back to the ascent start point, I plan to have that point in sight by 1000psi. if not, then 750 arrival is fine. If it is a single leg out and then back, I divide my usable gas over those 2 legs. When the return leg is with the current or shallower, I usually allot more gas to the outgoing leg than to the return leg. But many dive consist of multiple legs out and back (wagon wheel) or out to a target and then back after spending time at the target. In either case. moniter closely the gas usage out and plan for the gas usage back based on that. For many deeper dives and dives that are subject to see unforeseen problems I usually carry a pony. As a recreational diver, the surface is never more than about 500 psi away for one diver.
 
I'll be the very first to say I'm not the smartest marble in the pile,I don't even know what continuum means
Uh, oh, hmm, woow, ahem. Well (putting on my sales hat), I am so glad you said that. You are in luck! A continuum is a VERY sophisticated diving computer, that every diver needs. And, I just happen to have one, slightly used but fully functional, left in stock, that I can let you have at an incredible bargain price. It is a post-DEMA special, yours for only $995.
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OK, on a serious note: :)
but I tried to drop out of my OW class because my instructor flew thru it and didn't fully explain why we were doing this or that when questioned,I told her I was going to drop out and study more on my own but stayed upon her insistence and finished / passed good enough for HER but not good enough for me. Some of the rest of the class may have understood well enough for there liking, they passed and got to get a card and go diving,others I think were just as confused or had unanswered questions as myself but continued on and got there card
Good for you, for raising the issue with the instructor. It is easy for instructors to become obsessed with the twin challenges of 1) meeting the agency standards (from whatever agency), and 2) staying on track with regard to the schedule, particularly with group classes - while completely overlooking the real challenge - helping people start on the road to becoming good divers. I have certainly succumbed to that in the past, particularly as a newer instructor some years ago.
 

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For newer divers, I'm one who believes in the KISS method. As a result, I created the linked "cheat sheet" which explains a lot.

Air Supply Management Cheat Sheet

I think it is interesting that Bob, Lamont and I all have dived together, all have similar training backgrounds and all have posted information on this topic. Think that maybe we are concerned about it?
 
Colliam7. ,I like that computer it looks fairly simple, but with the beads being made of wood,wouldn't they be kinda floaty when submerged and possibly give a false reading ?:confused::D
 
Thanks Colliam7, I'll be the very first to say I'm not the smartest marble in the pile,I don't even know what continuum means, but I tried to drop out of my OW class because my instructor flew thru it and didn't fully explain why we were doing this or that when questioned,I told her I was going to drop out and study more on my own but stayed upon her insistence and finished / passed good enough for HER but not good enough for me. Some of the rest of the class may have understood well enough for there liking, they passed and got to get a card and go diving,others I think were just as confused or had unanswered questions as myself but continued on and got there card, I think that's scary for they will be my insta-buddy maybe on my next dive trip. I want ,as a buddy and for my own safety to know / understand things like gas management so when a DM/guide/instructor tells me to ascend with such an amount of gas I want to know and understand why, and I want my buddy to also understand. I hope on my upcoming trip to Mexico I can suggest to my insta-buddy that we do buddy check and air management discussion and not get the glassed over look of "let's just follow the DM".
We all have to start somewhere and the fact that your asking questions about your training is a good thing. First off we have to have fun because if it's not fun then why do it. Secondly, You need more training but if you dive with in your limits you will be fine. Third, Seek out quality instruction and pay more for it if you have to. Fourth, Get involved in local diving or even a club.
 
example:
3000- 600 = [-]2600[/-] 2400
[-]2600[/-] 2400/2=1200
You should turn the dive at
3000 - 1200 = 1800 psi to return to your entry point
Just pickin nits ;)
 
If you are on an escorted dive, there is no real problem here. Just let the dive leader know your air level when they inquire, and if at some point you are under 1000 psi let them know.

While that's a pretty common occurrence, it also has some of the markings of a "Trust Me" dive plan. For example, if the dive leader hasn't asked and you're down to 1000psi before he's even reached his turnaround point, you could be a looooong ways from the boat (exit).


. AT the risk of heresy, surfacing with more than 0 psi is a successful dive. But I too believe building in a margin of a few hundred psi.

I agree with your intent, but I would have been more comfortable if you would have said "completed the dive" instead of merely "surface".

And for margins, we need to keep in mind that regulators will start to give up the ghost when the tank's remaining (HP) pressure falls to (or below) the first stage's designed LP pressure, which is typically in the 150-200psi range. As such, 200psig at a 15ft safety stop is, for pragmatic purposes, close enough to "empty" to become quite concerned about just how many breaths are actually left in the tank.


Of course, this doesn't really help the OP all that much, since we're talking about the end of the dive and not how to figure out how much bottom time is left for when that's going to be.

The long answer is that this is why we have SAC and its accompanying calculations. You take your air consumption at the surface and then you plot what your dive depth is going to be ... I believe I saw Bob's excellent webpage already referenced. This stuff is important when your dive plan needs to be meticulous, which for many Recreational dives isn't as much the case much anymore...with dive computers, Rec dives can often be far more ad hoc.

My recommendation is short: learn to cheat :D


We simply need to remember that any dive really only has two really important requirements in this area:

a) Stay good on decompression obligations

b) Stay good on air


With a dive computer, its pretty easy to not get into too much trouble on (a), particularly for novices with higher typical air consumption that makes it less likely that they'll get near the DCS limits. That means that for the most part, it is (b) that we need to watch. That's our SPG and to also understand what "Turnaround" is, and how to apply it.

Turnaround basically is assumes a simple "out and back" dive plan - - no circles, squares, triangles, etc. That basically means that your resources get budgeted as "half used on the way out and the other half on the way back in". Pretty straightforward.

As such, the idea is that you're going to use your SPG to tell you when you're "half out of gas". Since we start at 3000psi and want to end at 500psi, it isn't simply a divide by two: this is where that math of: (3000-500)/2 +500 = ~1800psi comes in ... and the good news is that all we really have to remember is that for a 3000psi tank, the default number is 1800psi.

Now applying.

Okay, we're going to go follow the DM guide and the dive plan is an "out-and-back". They're a good DM, so they actually turns back when we signal them that we've hit the agreed-upon 1800psi for turnaround. We proceed to swim back to the boat ... and hey! We had planned to get back with 500psi, but we actually have 1000psi...how did that happen?

This doesn't always happen, but it should be something close. The answer lies with other commonly applied good diving practices that we were also following: the DM started the dive by swimming into any current...so our return trip was easier & faster. Similarly, the DM did a multilevel profile with the deepest part first...so our return trip was shallower too, which also uses less air. Both of these added some conservatism into our dive plan, which showed up as a higher remaining tank pressure.

This is fine (because conservatism is good) and there's no rule that says we always have to use all our air.

What I do at this point is locate the boat (exit point), since that relieves any "where's the boat??" anxiety stress. It isn't fun to be a 600-500-400psi and not know where the boat is ... earlier is always better. If we have a ton of air & time left and feel like staying down a bit longer, I'll probably be willing to noodle around right in the shadow of the diveboat, until we decide its time to come up. Conditions permitting, of course.


Okay, fifty more dives have passed and the novice air hoovering is over ... what about that Dive Computer DCS stuff again?

Going back to (a), we can see that right after we've descend to our dive plan's nominal max depth, the computer will show our time-remaining (based on Deco), and for an out-and-back, our turn-around value is half of that number. For example, if it initially says 15 minutes, we should turn to return when it says 7 minutes. The idea here is still that we're dividing our allowable bottom time (based on deco now too) into half for "out" and half for "back", although do note that this assumes that the return swim is done at the same depth...not a multi-level which will allow more time.



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