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Restricting access

Discussion in 'Artificial Reefs' started by wedivebc, Jul 14, 2008.

  1. Twistedarts

    Twistedarts Loggerhead Turtle

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    Natural selection anyone?
     
  2. Walter

    Walter Instructor, Scuba

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    Sounds good to me.
     
  3. JeffG

    JeffG Solo Diver

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    Unfortunately the Canadian Government usually falls to the side of "Protecting its citizens against themselves."

    But having a group impose rules on themselves before the government does is rather shortsighted and counter productive.
     
  4. rjack321

    rjack321 ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    If you start welding one opening shut you might as well weld them all shut. What happens when rust (imagine that!) creates a new opening though...

    I agree that ARSBC should remove contaminants like oil, beyond that, leave it alone. Some of the other reefs can actually be a bit challenging to run line in because the walls and floor are so bare (and honestly boring).
     
  5. wedivebc

    wedivebc CCR Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Yes and you totally missed my point then as well. If we don't do anything to stop government intervention we will have a situation like they do in Europe or even Quebec where they require a province issues cert if you want to dive there.
    I am NOT in favour of restricting access to wrecks. I am in favour of exploring avenues that will prevent government from resticting them for us.
     
  6. rjack321

    rjack321 ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Run for office and get elected, then change the framing of the debate. Or get on the ARSBC board and push back for personal responsibility not sanitization.

    Government, even in Canada :), is YOU.
     
  7. JeffG

    JeffG Solo Diver

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    No I didn't, but that's another thread.

    Then quit looking at making more rules.

    Get the ARSBC to show a leadership role and act on their Mission statement (or some other group, with a drive to save diving in BC)

    Promote the use of artificial reefs to spearhead a backlash of divers against the government.

    Instead of them acting against the best interests of divers.

    Let them become part of the solution instead of being part of the problem.

    Do you need assistance in this matter? You can find support in other organizations, such as the Alberta Underwater Council.
     
  8. wedivebc

    wedivebc CCR Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    That would assume the issue is important enough to me to make a career out of it. That also assumes that ARSBC has the time and money to fight something that they don't seem to be that concerned about.
    I am not naive enough to believe that if we let Darwin sort it out the government won't intervene because they do.
     
  9. Sinbad the Diver

    Sinbad the Diver Loggerhead Turtle

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    Unfortunately any regulation breeds more regulation because once you regulate you create two things:

    1. an assumption that it is "safe" because it is regulated
    2. a society that is incapable of being responsible for itself

    In this specific discussion you mentioned closing off dangerous areas. Who is it dangerous to? For me as an inexperienced diver with no penetration training at all entry into any part of the wreck is "dangerous". For someone with lots of training and experience obviously further penetration is "less dangerous".

    One of my pet peves is regulation that can't be reasonably enforced. Welding the "unsafe" areas shut is possible, though the only real "safe" solution is to weld all entry points and prevent any penetration. How would you enforce a permit type approach? If I charter will the dive op have to ensure that I don't go beyond my allowable penetration? What if I take my own boat out there. Kinda falls back on the idea that I can do any dive I chose to, including solo, tech etc without any training. It is unwise and most likely I wouldn't be doing it for long.

    Kinda rambling but my point is any regulation is futile and would only serve to provide politicians a soapbox to claim they are protecting us from ourselves. To be honest, I've always been surprised that govts are willing to sink these things in the first place. The ghost of Johny Cocharine is out there just waiting for someone to die on a wreck and sue the govt for being neglegent in providing the attractive nusance that led the person to die.
     
  10. b1gcountry

    b1gcountry Divemaster

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    I would disagree with that.

    I have no right to demand a percentage of my neighbors money for any means. I have no right to forcibly imprison them if they do not give it to me. People do not claim these rights, Governments do. Where they think they get them from is beyond me, but if government was simply a collection of individuals, it would have no greater rights than any of those individuals that comprise it.

    Tom
     

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