QUOTE=halemano;4685311]Since there is still discussion here I will update some things.
This diver did a resort intro with me a couple years ago, that included a pool session before a beach dive out to 35 fsw. She then read the first three chapters, completed the first three KR's and did CW 2 & 3 before doing OW dive #2. I did not offer her a Scuba Diver cert because she did not really dive by herself; I held her hand and physically kept her at depth and got her around the dive site. She does not fin strongly and has a head up posture while underwater; the only way she could get away from an instructor is uncontrolled ascent.[GOOGLE][/GOOGLE]
I don't want to sound like an ass but don't you hold some responsibility here? I don't think you should have taken her to the bottom of anything other than a pool if she couldn't keep her bouyancy and her finning is that week. I understand you didn't actually have anything to do with the accident but unless you specifically told her that she needed further training and was not ready to dive or informed the second dive shop about her then I think a little of this falls on you. I'm sorry but thats how I see it. Now if you told her that she needed more training and were not given the opportunity to inform the shop then you are in the clear. I'm not trying to degrade you skills. I am just trying to look at the liability issue. Thats all.
[GOOGLE][/GOOGLE]The company she had the incident dive with ONLY does DSD's with skills hanging on a line at the back of the boat in 20 fsw, then they dive on the same tank right away. The instructor was guiding out in front. she said she was unable to keep up with him. With her body position the harder she kicks the faster she goes up, and releasing air from the BC is probably not something she was ready to do. As I understand the PADI DSD the Instructor is responsible for the students buoyancy.[GOOGLE][/GOOGLE]
This is sooooo wrong. Unfortunately I think it happens a lot more than any of us would like because these resorts push these people through thinking they will never dive again and then they go back at a later date thinking they know what they're doing. Then you get what we have here.
[GOOGLE][/GOOGLE]The resort doctor she saw before flying only owned the phone diagnosis of viral sinus infection prior to the dive at the in person appointment with a prescription for antibiotics. An ENT on Oahu did not find any evidence of prior infection, verified by an ENT in Manhatan. She never filled the prescription from the resort doc. No rupture but there was expansion trauma.[GOOGLE][/GOOGLE]
What do you expect from the Dr.? The odds are pretty good that he is not a diver and doesn't know a great deal about the issues that go along with diving. Thats why you call DAN!!!!!!!! They know about these things and can put you in touch with a Dr. that knows.
[GOOGLE][/GOOGLE]When she called the dive op to let them know what she was going through the manager got very defensive and said he would call back after talking with the Instructor. It was actually the Instructor who called back with denials and accusations; all this before she even talked about refunds.[GOOGLE][/GOOGLE]
I'm not surprised by this at all. Especially being a resort. Not only do they probably get a lot of people that are just looking to get their money back but I'm sure the first thing they thought of was the potential law suit and thats enough to make them start the denial.
[GOOGLE][/GOOGLE]All I know at this point is that she says her ears still feel funny but they are getting better. I do not know if she took the issue further with the dive shop. I do know I can not recommend this dive shop for any training dives and since there are shops there that I do trust that means I will never recommend them for any diving at all, partly due the unprofessional post dive treatments.[GOOGLE][/GOOGLE]
I would say she should consider herself to be very lucky and to get the proper training before she decides to get in the water again. I do agree with you that you should never recommend that shop again.
This diver did a resort intro with me a couple years ago, that included a pool session before a beach dive out to 35 fsw. She then read the first three chapters, completed the first three KR's and did CW 2 & 3 before doing OW dive #2. I did not offer her a Scuba Diver cert because she did not really dive by herself; I held her hand and physically kept her at depth and got her around the dive site. She does not fin strongly and has a head up posture while underwater; the only way she could get away from an instructor is uncontrolled ascent.[GOOGLE][/GOOGLE]
I don't want to sound like an ass but don't you hold some responsibility here? I don't think you should have taken her to the bottom of anything other than a pool if she couldn't keep her bouyancy and her finning is that week. I understand you didn't actually have anything to do with the accident but unless you specifically told her that she needed further training and was not ready to dive or informed the second dive shop about her then I think a little of this falls on you. I'm sorry but thats how I see it. Now if you told her that she needed more training and were not given the opportunity to inform the shop then you are in the clear. I'm not trying to degrade you skills. I am just trying to look at the liability issue. Thats all.
[GOOGLE][/GOOGLE]The company she had the incident dive with ONLY does DSD's with skills hanging on a line at the back of the boat in 20 fsw, then they dive on the same tank right away. The instructor was guiding out in front. she said she was unable to keep up with him. With her body position the harder she kicks the faster she goes up, and releasing air from the BC is probably not something she was ready to do. As I understand the PADI DSD the Instructor is responsible for the students buoyancy.[GOOGLE][/GOOGLE]
This is sooooo wrong. Unfortunately I think it happens a lot more than any of us would like because these resorts push these people through thinking they will never dive again and then they go back at a later date thinking they know what they're doing. Then you get what we have here.
[GOOGLE][/GOOGLE]The resort doctor she saw before flying only owned the phone diagnosis of viral sinus infection prior to the dive at the in person appointment with a prescription for antibiotics. An ENT on Oahu did not find any evidence of prior infection, verified by an ENT in Manhatan. She never filled the prescription from the resort doc. No rupture but there was expansion trauma.[GOOGLE][/GOOGLE]
What do you expect from the Dr.? The odds are pretty good that he is not a diver and doesn't know a great deal about the issues that go along with diving. Thats why you call DAN!!!!!!!! They know about these things and can put you in touch with a Dr. that knows.
[GOOGLE][/GOOGLE]When she called the dive op to let them know what she was going through the manager got very defensive and said he would call back after talking with the Instructor. It was actually the Instructor who called back with denials and accusations; all this before she even talked about refunds.[GOOGLE][/GOOGLE]
I'm not surprised by this at all. Especially being a resort. Not only do they probably get a lot of people that are just looking to get their money back but I'm sure the first thing they thought of was the potential law suit and thats enough to make them start the denial.
[GOOGLE][/GOOGLE]All I know at this point is that she says her ears still feel funny but they are getting better. I do not know if she took the issue further with the dive shop. I do know I can not recommend this dive shop for any training dives and since there are shops there that I do trust that means I will never recommend them for any diving at all, partly due the unprofessional post dive treatments.[GOOGLE][/GOOGLE]
I would say she should consider herself to be very lucky and to get the proper training before she decides to get in the water again. I do agree with you that you should never recommend that shop again.
