residual narcosis ? . . . or what ?

[String]

Not sure if about the wording you used but the memory loss did occur during the dive, at depth, but cannot be recalled at the surface. Memory of surface interval is intact.

The theory is still sound though, rising about a specific depth (ie partial pressure) eliminates all symptoms.

 

[Seadeuce]

Since I contributed to the original thread on this subject I feel I should maybe jump in here.

Instead of looking for reasons FOR what happened, let's look AT what happened. IOW at the evidence.

Memory OK to 50, then from 90. Not too clear back on surface.

We can discount Narcosis. It does not happen intermittently on the same dive, and the signs decrease with ascent.

CO2 can, with the right set of circumstances, begin to close your brain down. But it is subject to higher partial pressures (depth) and increased exertion/shallow, rapid breathing - failure to flush the gas from system.
Stress was not involved according to the poster, so we can discount CO2 as well.

The air quality in the diver's bottle, which was my original posting, could have had a bearing, esp. with toluene - as mentioned by COVCI. But would it's effects wear off with increasing depth? Doubtful.


This problem seems to have something to do with the descent. A couple of questions -

Did you descend in a feet down/head down/horizontal position?
All the way, or for which part(s)?
Did you have your mask flood at any stage during the descent?

Depending on your answers, a number of further considerations will be discounted, or enter the debate for probable cause.


Seadeuce

 

[pilot fish]

Since I contributed to the original thread on this subject I feel I should maybe jump in here.

Instead of looking for reasons FOR what happened, let's look AT what happened. IOW at the evidence.

Memory OK to 50, then from 90. Not too clear back on surface.

We can discount Narcosis. It does not happen intermittently on the same dive, and the signs decrease with ascent.

CO2 can, with the right set of circumstances, begin to close your brain down. But it is subject to higher partial pressures (depth) and increased exertion/shallow, rapid breathing - failure to flush the gas from system.
Stress was not involved according to the poster, so we can discount CO2 as well.

The air quality in the diver's bottle, which was my original posting, could have had a bearing, esp. with toluene - as mentioned by COVCI. But would it's effects wear off with increasing depth? Doubtful.


This problem seems to have something to do with the descent. A couple of questions -

Did you descend in a feet down/head down/horizontal position?
All the way, or for which part(s)?
Did you have your mask flood at any stage during the descent?

Depending on your answers, a number of further considerations will be discounted, or enter the debate for probable cause.


Seadeuce

This is JBD's dive profile not mine so I'll let him answer your question.

MY profile was 105 ft and multi level up from there. I went down in a feet first postion, I never go down head first. I imagine part of the descent was also horizontal . No mask flood. Not that I remember anyway

 

[Seadeuce]

That more or less leaves us with the question hanging over the air quality.
But it is odd that no-one else seems to have been affected on the day.
Reckon if you ever have a repeat of this amnesia you should get the air tested, if you remember to do it, that is ;-)


Seadeuce

 

[pilot fish]

That more or less leaves us with the question hanging over the air quality.
But it is odd that no-one else seems to have been affected on the day.
Reckon if you ever have a repeat of this amnesia you should get the air tested, if you remember to do it, that is ;-)


Seadeuce

As I said in an earlier post, maybe one or two of the other divers DID have the same effect. They had no idea what happened to me because I never told them or saw them again after that last dive. It was not till later when I went to write in my log did I realize I remembered nothing. Could be that they had the same experience?

I want to go back and do that same dive again and see what happens.

 

[Seadeuce]

Sorry for not remembering your earlier post.

Would not think the same dive again will give an answer. The environment probably had nothing to do with it.

Of course, should you get your air from the same source ...

Best of luck in any case.

Seadeuce

 

[pilot fish]

Sorry for not remembering your earlier post.

Would not think the same dive again will give an answer. The environment probably had nothing to do with it.

Of course, should you get your air from the same source ...

Best of luck in any case.

Seadeuce

I dove with Ocean Divers in Key Largo. I doubt it was bad air. They have been in business for a long time and are reputable. I thinik it's a case like the undeserved hits we've been reading about. I think it is just a fluke.

 

[Sideband]

As I said in an earlier post, maybe one or two of the other divers DID have the same effect. They had no idea what happened to me because I never told them or saw them again after that last dive. It was not till later when I went to write in my log did I realize I remembered nothing. Could be that they had the same experience?

I want to go back and do that same dive again and see what happens.

I think it is time for you to just accept the facts. You were abducted by aliens. Memory loss...missing time...Hey! You don't hurt..umm.. down there, do ya? If you do, it's possible they gave you one of them ankle probes. Seems like every abduction story you hear involves one of those, and I wouldn't think that many people would want that type of information made public if it wasn't true. You should check your body for implants too. I hear those are really popular with the Aliens. Up your nose is a good place to look and so is under the skin on the back of your hand. Sometimes they put them in your brain, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK THERE. At least not alone. Somebody has to remain awake to fish around with the coat hanger through the hole they completed drilling in your skull after you passed out from the pain. If the coat hanger was relatively clean then almost anything he finds in there, except brains, can be assumed to be Alien technology.
Good luck going back. They say it almost always happens again anyway. No point fighting it. Who knows? The next time you may get to meet your human-Alien hybrid offspring. Your own little baby Sleestack. (LOTL reference...sorry)
I hope this explains it all for you. Feel free to PM me if you want to explore this more deeply. There are also support groups available that can help you understand that you are not alone in this experience.

Joe

 

[jbd]

This problem seems to have something to do with the descent. A couple of questions -

Did you descend in a feet down/head down/horizontal position?
All the way, or for which part(s)?
Did you have your mask flood at any stage during the descent?

Depending on your answers, a number of further considerations will be discounted, or enter the debate for probable cause.


Seadeuce

Descent was in a horizontal position with only an occasional frog kick to maintain proximity to the mooring/descent line. The entire dive was done horizontal. No equipment problems or mask flooding. Slow, relaxed frog kick used.

Upon further reflection on this dive, I suspect N2 narcosis overall. I think the reason I remember the deeper part of the dive so well is due to concentration or mental focus. The descent itself was a basically a non event so arriving at the wreck was just another dive. I seem to recall feeling like I wasn't fully aware of my surroundings as I moved to the bow of the wreck and started the descent to the bottom. From that point on I recall very well the details of that portion of the dive. Just before going over the bow I apparently realized I was narced to some degree and compensated via concentrating on what I was doing and what I was looking at. Leaving the wreck(ascent) was just another routine non event.

 

[pilot fish]

I think it is time for you to just accept the facts. You were abducted by aliens. Memory loss...missing time...Hey! You don't hurt..umm.. down there, do ya? If you do, it's possible they gave you one of them ankle probes. Seems like every abduction story you hear involves one of those, and I wouldn't think that many people would want that type of information made public if it wasn't true. You should check your body for implants too. I hear those are really popular with the Aliens. Up your nose is a good place to look and so is under the skin on the back of your hand. Sometimes they put them in your brain, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK THERE. At least not alone. Somebody has to remain awake to fish around with the coat hanger through the hole they completed drilling in your skull after you passed out from the pain. If the coat hanger was relatively clean then almost anything he finds in there, except brains, can be assumed to be Alien technology.
Good luck going back. They say it almost always happens again anyway. No point fighting it. Who knows? The next time you may get to meet your human-Alien hybrid offspring. Your own little baby Sleestack. (LOTL reference...sorry)
I hope this explains it all for you. Feel free to PM me if you want to explore this more deeply. There are also support groups available that can help you understand that you are not alone in this experience.

Joe

Its funny you should mention this because I did find a metal prob inside my wetsuit but didn't think much about it at the time. Thought it was a nitrox analyzer, or candy thermometer. The other guys on the boat were bald, pale white, with long llimbs and speaking a language I didn't understand. It sounded like a Scotsman speaking Inuit. I mean, who knows, I've never heard Maratian before. meenu meenu.

Be calm, the mothership will be here as soon as it clears Hale Bop. Quatu, beam me up.