That is not what I said Dr. Mike. I treat buddies different than I do my Diving Family. My Family gets 100% commitment that I will bring them to the surface or I will not come up myself. But another persons child I do not have that same level of obligation. If it was MY child and I have confirmed in my mind that the child had gone from encroachment into a set safety barrier to the arena of being a danger to themselves then I would take physical control of the situation and end the dive. I would not have flooded the mask because that brings on the potential for a new world of out of control panic diver.
The situation was not a diver that had gone into danger to themselves but had simply violated the turn pressure. Presuming that the turn pressure point had sufficient air to return to the exit point as well the prudent safety range ( 400 to 500 psi) there would have been more than sufficient time to work on the diver before you required taking physical control simply on the basis that you could do a mid water accent and encroach on that 500 psi safety pressure.
Again a diver that is continuing a dive beyond the set turn point but is not continuing to descend or exhibit other signs of being mentally impaired is not a diver that requires another diver to physically assault them to force the dive to end. I stand by my statement that it would be possibly criminal to rip a mask off a diver to end their dive at that point. I do not believe that it is prudent rescue technique to take a borderline safety issue and turn it into a panic driven emergency.
Family receives a different standard to me than another diver. I know family and their signs and mannerisms much better than I do another diving buddy.
Yeah, I guess we got more information about the OP after our posts... Sorry if I misunderstood you, I thought that you were saying that as long as someone is a certified diver, that supersedes any other consideration like the parent-child relationship, or knowing that while someone has the skills and knowledge to pass a PADI OW test, they don't have the judgement not to do something stupid.
I agree that flooding the mask doesn't sound like a good tactic to use in this situation (or any) - that can result in laryngospasm, aspiration and death in a panicked, inexperienced or incapacitated diver. I also think that the standard technique taught in the rescue diver course (controlling the tank valve, etc..) would have been a better choice.
I guess I'm just seeing myself in that exact situation, with a teenager doing what teenagers have been doing to their parents since teenagers were invented.
It's really more of a parenting discussion than a diving discussion in some ways. I would make it absolutely clear on the surface that when your buddy is thumbing a dive (the OP was his daughter's buddy on ascent) that isn't a request, that's a statement. And I would make it also very clear that if I am taking my underage child on a dive trip, I get to set all the rules, just because. If I decide that she needs to surface with 2500 PSI, then that's what she needs to do if she want's to dive. Dad's decision outweighs PADI standards. I would also probably make her work out some rock bottom calculations for the dive before I let her dive again...