Removing items from the USS Oriskany (interesting dilemma)

[Tagerisatroll]

Heck putting something back might be more fun than taking it off. I doubt any one could force them to put it back, return it to the State, and fine them sure. But to actually restore it to it orginal location on the O would have to be a volintaury act. Probably free of state action because once the state has it its going into a locker somewhere and won't see the light of day again.

 

[Diver Dennis]

The main outcome here is that the people who control the O now know what at least some divers have been doing on the wreck. They also know how disdainful most divers find this type of behavior. What happens from here? It would be a shame to raise awareness only to have nothing happen to stop it. Like so many problems, I'm sure some think all this fuss will just blow over.

 

[CBulla]

The main outcome here is that the people who control the O now know what at least some divers have been doing on the wreck. They also know how disdainful most divers find this type of behavior. What happens from here? It would be a shame to raise awareness only to have nothing happen to stop it. Like so many problems, I'm sure some think all this fuss will just blow over.

Or it could open up a whole new set of educational efforts by the state and Dept of the Navy to ensure that operations are clear as to what is expected of them and the divers they take out. Like the Spiegel, those who visit privately are expected to have their own self control to leave alone what was set down... but the operations which host divers on these sites are to set the example as professionals.

 

[Diver Dennis]

Let's hope so Colin.

 

[scubafool]

So tell me, what are your plans to ensure divers 20 years from now can enjoy the control panels? Are you going to keep killing off the corals and marine growth that accumulates on them?

Let's follow this line of reasoning a little further.

Since you are a cavediver, and have taken multiple classes concerning such, I will assume that you know that speleogenesis (the forming of caves) is an ongoing and probably never ending process. Rainfall turns slightly acidic as it percolates down through the dirt on it's way to the aquifer, and dissolves the rock on the way, water flows through the holes and cracks that are formed, wearing away more rock, etc, etc. Point being, the cave that you enjoyed the last time you dove it has changed by the next time you dive it. And, since we both know that that particular rock formation that you find so intriguing will, due to natural forces, at some point be no more, it is totally OK if I go down there with hammer and chisel and "harvest" it for my rock collection.

Please tell me that you have more regard for the treasures that we all dive to see. Please.

 

[douglasville diver]

Alot to digest here, I read that Florida owns the water and content out to 9 miles on the gulf side and 3 miles on the atlantic.
I'm just trying to sort out the actual law

 

[Azza]

Let's follow this line of reasoning a little further.

Since you are a cavediver, and have taken multiple classes concerning such, I will assume that you know that speleogenesis (the forming of caves) is an ongoing and probably never ending process. Rainfall turns slightly acidic as it percolates down through the dirt on it's way to the aquifer, and dissolves the rock on the way, water flows through the holes and cracks that are formed, wearing away more rock, etc, etc. Point being, the cave that you enjoyed the last time you dove it has changed by the next time you dive it. And, since we both know that that particular rock formation that you find so intriguing will, due to natural forces, at some point be no more, it is totally OK if I go down there with hammer and chisel and "harvest" it for my rock collection.

Please tell me that you have more regard for the treasures that we all dive to see. Please.

I think he was being facetious actually...

 

[scubafool]

I don't know if you have followed this thread in it's entirety or not, but I have read multiple posts by Jason B in this thread, and they all seem to point in the same general direction. I don't think that he is being facetious at all.

 

[Tagerisatroll]

Alot to digest here, I read that Florida owns the water and content out to 9 miles on the gulf side and 3 miles on the atlantic.
I'm just trying to sort out the actual law

Its not that the ship is in floridas water that gives its authority. Its that it OWNS the ship. Unlike a ship wreck an artifical reaf is like an oil platform try telling exon that they don't own their platform because its in international waters. When people take stuff off the ship they are stealing state owned Property.

 

[Diver Dennis]

I think he was being facetious actually...

No, he was quite serious. His logic is flawed but he is indeed serious.