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Thanks Stuart. That xstar looks like just what I wanted.

I would have liked to have more than 4 bays at that price, but I still have the NITECORE, so I have plenty of capacity.

I would be interested to see how the Loopacells prove out.
 
Thanks Stuart. That xstar looks like just what I wanted.

I would have liked to have more than 4 bays at that price, but I still have the NITECORE, so I have plenty of capacity.

I would be interested to see how the Loopacells prove out.

You're welcome.

If the Loopacells don't prove good for stuff like my strobes, it's no big deal. They were cheap and they'll still work fine for things like the wireless transmitter for my bass guitars, my wireless mouses, TV remotes, etc..
 
@Caveeagle the sanyo charger is perfectly fine and quite inexpensive, though if you have 18650's as well you can consolidate chargers. I believe it is all or nothing in terms of all nimh or li-ion.

My Lx20 came with a charger with "nitecore" molded on the case and 4 18650 batteries labeled "EVVA". Are you saying these are all Sanyo products?
 
My Lx20 came with a charger with "nitecore" molded on the case and 4 18650 batteries labeled "EVVA". Are you saying these are all Sanyo products?

I could be wrong, but I think he meant the Sanyo Eneloop charger is fine for those....but obviously it doesn't do what you were hoping for. The one StuartV linked looks good and is likely in my future despite the high price.
 
My Lx20 came with a charger with "nitecore" molded on the case and 4 18650 batteries labeled "EVVA". Are you saying these are all Sanyo products?

Nitecore is a decent but basic charger.
EVVA is a company that likely takes a decent cell and puts a protection circuit on it. Could be a Sanyo, but likely a protected Panasonic with a Seiko protection circuit. Should be for a light that looks like it costs $600.
Test/Review of Evva 18650 3400mAh (Black)
 
My Lx20 came with a charger with "nitecore" molded on the case and 4 18650 batteries labeled "EVVA". Are you saying these are all Sanyo products?

negative, what @victorzamora said was accurate. I was referring to the Sanyo charger that comes with the eneloop batteries if you buy the kit. These will only charge AA/AAA nimh batteries. If you have the Nitecore or something similar, there is no need for a redundant charger unless you need to charge everything at once
 
@fmerkel Thanks for the info. You've got me re-thinking my choices on things like my Perdix, for sure.
It all depends on what you are using the battery for. Strobes suck lots of power. Especially if you are a little trigger happy like me.

As jseyfert3 indicated, the payback time for rechargeable batteries for use in strobes can happen in a single dive trip. I burn through more than 1 set of 8 batteries each day on a dive trip. So that makes 16 batteries a day. Rechargables are the only sane way to go.

On the other hand, my computer lasts 3-5 years on a single battery, so no savings to be found there.
 
But I would like something that gives more DATA and will cycle/condition the batteries.
I can see discharge testing being nice but my RC experience and research has lead me to believe it's completely unnecessary to cycle NiMH, and way overblown with the old NiCad packs. Charge them, load and go.

Can always use a flashlight and timer as a rough load test. Cheap too.
 
Just an FYI, I bought 4 x 4 packs of these Loopacell AAs the other day. They're rated at 2700mAh. $7.50 per 4-pack.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HDRM5LE/

I ran the first 4 through my Opus tester and they all tested between 2550 and 2650 mAh. The second batch is in the tester now. I will post results after testing all 16 batteries.

They're a fair bit less expensive than the Eneloop Pros... And they even came with a nice plastic case for each 4-pack.

Final report:

Out of 16 Loopacell batteries, 11 of them initially tested at 2531mAh or higher. 8 of them tested over 2600.

But, 5 of them tested between 1934 and 2164. For those 5, I put them through a Discharge Refresh cycle on my Opus charger/tester. After that, all 5 tested at 2594 or higher.

So, without having a charger/tester, I would probably have been not super happy with these batteries. Out of the box, I think I would have experienced pretty varied results in how long these batteries would drive a light or strobe on a full charge. But, with the Opus to test them and get all the low ones up to specs, I am very happy with this purchase - so far. Of course, actually using them and having them continue to have this kind of capacity is key.
 
Strobes are usually more dependent on high current than on voltage. And NiMh cells can always provide higher current than alkaline cells, so the strobe makers usually are targeting that and the voltage difference is accommodated in the design.

On cycling and memory effects? SAFT owns the NiCad trademark. They're battery experts for a long time now. Back in the 80's I spoke to one of their engineers, and he said very plainly, the old technologies sometimes had memory effects, but THEIR batteries no longer had them, at all. And the same thing applies to NiMh. No issue at all--in good brands. These days it is harder to find a real engineer to get real answers from.

But I'd beware Amazon batteries. Amazon doesn't make anything, really. And the contract for batteries (in Costso, WalMart, Sam's Club, etc. as well) is usually put out for bids every year or two, and the lowest bidder gets to stick the brand label on their product. So you never know what product you are getting, unless you have current research. Personally I tried the AB batteries three years ago. Wound up sending a dozen AAA back to Amazon because after a year they were not holding a charge well. The AA were working fairly well, but nowhere near the Eneloops I was also using.

When GPS was a new and power hungry thing, I used NiMh AA's from several brands to feed my first GPS. Found that some brands would die in as little as 30 days after charging, but that Panasonic's bulk cells (green plastic wrapper, not sold in retail stores) could sit for six months and still have 2/3 of their charge.

So there are real differences, and buying a "contract re-labeled" battery us always throwing the dice, even if the vendor has a generally good name.

With online sales in general there is another problem of counterfeiting. Anyone can print labels and slap them on cheap products. Case in point, "Ultrafire" branded 18650 LiOn batteries on Amazon and ebay. Literally, every battery from every vendor has been a counterfeit, with minor errors on the label (voltage or amperage rating is off by one digit, color is wrong, etc.) that Ultrafire itself says mean counterfeit.

Duracell also has this problem with online merchants. Last time I called them about some leakers, they said that if there was any Chinese printing on the batteries? They were counterfeit, they'd seen that all too often.

So the vendor's reputation, and the brand name, still do mean something. And with Amazon, of course, if you complain, they'll warranty it.
 

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