Rebreather bouyancy... back 2 n00b basics

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DiveTub:
You forgot
Counter Lungs
Bailout bottles
O2 and Dil bottles


And you are right any diver that is doing any sort of Deco should have their buoyancy dialled in. If you have "also seen many a diver positive on their deco” then maybe you should be reporting their instructors to their training agency for incompetence....

However case in point we are talking about a new CCR diver that is a long way from being qualified or doing any sort of Deco at all. Hence it is far easier to work on getting your trim and buoyancy sorted with a bit of depth as you are having less changes to the following air spaces Counterlungs, Drysuit and Wing, now that is plenty of gas expanding with even minimal depth change in shallower water. So a bit more depth gives you more room to move to get your trim dialled in, from experience a new CCR diver has less trouble with holding shallow stops after being at a bit of depth, rather than just jumping into 5-10m and mucking round with three sources of buoyancy.

Buoyancy on a CCR is complicated enough without trying to master it in the top 10m where the pressure varience is greatest. Drop down to 20m and its a whole world easier to work on the trim. Being upright on your ascent is no big deal, horizontal ascent just comes with practice.

Cheers
Chris


I do understand what you're trying say & I didn't forget the other variables. It’s something that I consider a graduating proficiency - CL's should be on minimum loop volume, or optimal loop volume for given make and model. Additionally, this thread is not about newbie training. It seems to be about trim and buoyancy after a course.

The dearth of divers that I see exercising less-than-ideal trim and buoyancy is nothing new. It crosses from new CCR users to "experienced" openwater techies on OC. It amuses me when someone cannot hold 6m without the use of a line. Of course, there are exceptions like in a ripping current. It also irks me when divers are not in an optimal horizontal position during controlled stops. I won’t bore people with those details. Pretty sure that’s been covered on SB before.

"Reporting" these divers to their instructors - what? It should be the reverse no? The funny thing is untrimmed divers who see you in ideal trim do not often make the connection that they need some re-education, or tweaking. While swimming at depth the conventional thought for “non-trimmers” is that if I power through (swim hard) I will be horizontal. That’s true, but you expend a ton of energy and metabolize a ton of oxygen too. Additionally, you can’t power through at a deco. stop hanging onto a line. As a GUE trained caver (OC) I will state that Fundies trim & buoyancy principles should be integrated into every CCR class.

Going back to depth - it's always easier to dive where Boyle's Law isn't as great a factor, but the true test of trim and buoyancy is the ability of the diver to hold position at crucial stop depths regardless of deco. or not. The no-deco argument is somewhat moot because safety stops are deco. breaks.

I do appreciate a good discussion. Attached is a pic. from a tech dive. I took my stop much lower because I kept getting batted on the head with fins. Sadly, these guys never noticed that I was maybe doing it a little bit better.

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Mr.X:
I do appreciate a good discussion.

We all do!!! Thanks for your and Chris' contribution.

I did a dive on Sunday went to 17m for an hour and everything was fantastic, the RB performed magnificently from 3m down to 17m, with stops on the way to look at fishlife, my role was to go up ahead and spot for fish life for the one's with the camera (alas, the OC'ers bubbles did scare of them away :blinking: ).

For further discussion, my issue was not weight, but weight distribution, it looks like I have weights in the right place now, and my "centre of gravity" (thats the only way to describe it) is in the correct position. Now I will be looking to see if I can drop in weight from 10lbs.

As I use the unit more, confidence in the unit is building, I did notice that I am getting down with gas still in the couterlungs (thats is, not blowing some gas out to get down) and the BCD fully deflated.

Something to look at when diving the unit next weekend.

Keep the good comments and thoughts coming and hoping this helps others and/or gets others in the same position as me, thinking and improving. ;)
 

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