Really confused about Kona, Hawaii vs Cozumel???

Please register or login

Welcome to ScubaBoard, the world's largest scuba diving community. Registration is not required to read the forums, but we encourage you to join. Joining has its benefits and enables you to participate in the discussions.

Benefits of registering include

  • Ability to post and comment on topics and discussions.
  • A Free photo gallery to share your dive photos with the world.
  • You can make this box go away

Joining is quick and easy. Log in or Register now!

dcabbar

Registered
Messages
9
Reaction score
0
Hi,


We are planning to take a 1 week diving trip from San Francisco mid April, and we were considering either Kona or Cozumel. Looking at the comments / posts here (people saying Cozumel is much better), we have started looking at hotels / flights / diving packages for Cozumel and I got confused, so let me summarize my thoughts so far:


1. Dive Quality: People say Cozumel is way nicer than Kona for scuba, but looking at the videos posted on Youtube, I could not see the WOW effect for Cozumel? I mean, reefs look washed out, there are different species but you don't see much life (like a few fish here and there), etc. Kona videos have much wider range of corals and again much more lively than Cozumel? I have checked out dozens of videos for each, and as I was saying Cozumel looked pretty bleak to me? Ah, also, not to mention Kona has that spectacular manta dive;)


2. Prices: Again, people were saying Cozumel is much cheaper / affordable / etc. Again, looking at hotel + dive packages in Cozumel, you can't get anything less than 2.5-3K USD for 6 days dive + 7 days hotel in something like Presidente or Park Royal (basically any 4+ star relatively nice hotel), and diving is around 80 USD per day in Cozumel (2 tank dive) with scuba du or h20. Looking at Kona, you can get Sheraton / Hilton or condos for ~ 200 USD, and dives are a bit more expensive (like 100 USD instead of 80). So, I don't see how Cozumel is cheaper, leave aside much cheaper?


3. Flights: Much more painful for Cozumel and definitely more expensive, i.e. you have to fly thru' Houston, waits between flights are like 5 hours, etc.


Am I missing something obvious here? Would appreciate it if you can shed some light here...
 
diving: kona, hawaii is not that great. and manta dive is very shallow and close to shore in front of the hotel so you can just attach a glow stick on your snorkel and swim out from the rocks to enjoy the view. maybe free dive down to get a closer look. they put bright lights on the bottom so it is well lit. cozumel diving i dont know.
topside: hawaii kicks cozumels butt!
if you go to the big island, dont stay north of the kona airport or you will be a bit isolated from everything.
 
Besides the Manta night dives, I believe are on the big island, I've never really heard anything great about Hawaii diving. So I can't speak first hand to the comparison of diving. I'm not sure if any of the hotels you are talking about are AI's, if so you're good! If not, the cost to eat and drink in the Islands is substantially higher. At least for me, I have pretty simple tastes :) I lived on Oahu back in the 80's, but have only been back once since toKauai in the mid 90's. I find The Islands more beautiful than Cozumel. I prefer Cozumel and The Yucatan for the people and ambiance. I think though it all comes back to the diving for me. In most circles Cozumel is considered world class diving, and Hawaii is not. So, if this is a dive vacation, I think that is the determining factor. Hawaii honestly isn't even on my dive radar. In the last few years I've been to Thailand and Indonesia. We've talked about Hawaii because my wife has never been, but honestly I've never even considered taking my dive gear there if we went. Maybe my thinking is all wrong on this, I'll be watching this thread to see if I'm flawed in my perspective. If I was going on my honeymoon, or to do land based stuff, it would probably be Hawaii. Here are a couple of my Cozumel videos, I'm not sure what you've watched on the internet, but maybe they'll show you something or an aspect you haven't seen. Good luck in your search and have a great vacation wherever you go :)


https://vimeo.com/43788428

https://vimeo.com/82463969
 
I know nothing about Kona.

I thought the dive quality in Cozumel was very good- there were lots of fish. Schools at times. Tons of variety, especially varieties of Angelfish. The people we were with who had dove in the South Pacific (Fiji, I think) said there was more fish life there, but still enjoyed Cozumel. The reef formations were a major point in Cozumel's favor. HUGE- incredible variety of coral. There was not a lot of large life, but most every day we saw turtles (a few types), nurse sharks, eels, eagle rays, lobsters. Night dive saw a ton of octopuses.

Price- we did a flight/hotel package from Orbitz ($800 per person at an all inclusive which was lower end, but the meals were good to great and the room more than met our needs) and booked our dives separately ($400 per person for 5 days diving and rental gear). With a bit of spending money, our trip was around $2,500. Flights alone from where we live to Honolulu run about $950 per person (what we paid for flight AND hotel and all our meals and drinks). There is no way we could do Hawaii cheaper than we did Cozumel.

I do think a lot of the people who praise Cozumel as affordable aren't staying in the Presidente- that is probably one reason your vacation isn't looking as inexpensive. I didn't stay there, but from friends who did- note that it doesn't reach the level of that hotel chain's locations in other areas.
 
Hello. I have vacationed and dived in both locations. We even looked at buying property in Hawaii at one point but it was too expensive relative to Cozumel. It is definitely easier for you to get to Kona than Cozumel from San Francisco (as opposed to my home province in the middle of Canada).

I find it hard to believe that the accommodation is more costly in Cozumel than Hawaii, so try looking around a bit more. People seem to really like the Cozumel Palace, which is in town. And you should be able to find a condo for well under $200/night... Cozumel Island Vacation Rentals, Condo Rentals & more in Cozumel Island on VRBO - Vacation Rentals by Owner . The condos called "El Cantil" are in town right next door to the Palace.

If it were me, I would book my hotel separately from my diving. There are a LOT of excellent quality dive ops in Cozumel to choose from....probably far more so than Kona. There are lots of comments about many of them on this forum.

Both islands have their topographical charms but I think Kona is prettier and cleaner.

I really liked Kona restaurants (mainly because I love sushi) but it is more expensive to eat anywhere there than in Cozumel. We needed to rent a car to get around in Kona but in Cozumel you can get around on foot if you stay in town, but cabs (and they are proliferous) are pretty cheap. If you stay in the north part of the island (where a lot of the condos are), you will likely need to rent a car however.

It is the diving where the differences really stand out. In Cozumel, the water is warmer, clearer and the reef formations are pretty incredible. There is great variation from the lush soft corals at Maracaibo Shallows to the towering reefs of Columbia Deep to the racing current at Barracuda. I see loads of fish on every dive here. Depending on when you are here (not April, when you are planning to come), you can also dive up north (if you pick the right operator) and see squadrons of spotted eagle rays. Or you can head over to the mainland and take in the whale sharks (again, season dependent and not in April). All the diving I did in Kona was to a moored or anchored boat; in Cozumel it is all drift diving. I didn't do the manta ray night dive in Kona because I saw them in the day and I heard that the night dive is kind of a gong show (several ops all on the site with lots and lots of divers).

The Mexican people in Cozumel are lovely and are one of the reasons I love coming here. Spanish is the native tongue here and while the dive ops all speak English, it is limited in many shops and restaurants. Kona is pretty "American" with a lot of Japanese peoples as well. So it depends on your sense of adventure whether one will appeal or not because they are pretty different in this regard.

Hope this helps in weighing the various factors.
 
Having been to both places, they are different and each has pros and cons.

The diving is not comparable - two completely different ecosystems. That does not mean that the diving at one location is better or worse than the other, just different.

Costs are certainly different however. In my case, I can travel to Hawaii and find that prices are no different than were I live. Only the gas is slightly more expensive. So, for me the costs are not an issue.

Traveling to anywhere in Mexico the costs are going to be less.

Bill
 
Last edited:
I've dove Kauai only over there & it didn't come close to Coz except for Turtles. I don't do video so can't show you one of mine but here's the link to my underwater photos & several hotel / resort tours. Recent underwater albums were shot in RAW & colour corrected in editing.

Picasa Web Albums - Larry

There will be another underwater album added once I get home & do the edits.
 
Dcabbar, I've been to both places and I'll give my opinion. You can spend as much money on Coz as in Kona but you definetly don't have too. Kona is expensive with little to none more economical accomodations available. Coz has a wide range of options, one to fit every budget. There are some really cool topside attractions to see on the Big Island, ie. lava meets the sea and see the sunset @ 12000 ft. In Kona I paid $125 for a double tank where in Coz I pay $55 - $60 for the same. I think the Coz reefs are much more diverse and colorful than Kona's. I've seen Kona and while we had a great time I won't fly back for the diving. Coz just gives me more vacation for the buck, and I've never had a less than wonderful stay. Give Coz a try and I feel certain you will be glad you did.

Good Dives, SeaFlea.
 
For some bright & colourful videos search YouTube for Tony Vilet. He's the videographer at Blue Angel. For more really great photos check back a few pages for jlyle's thead.
 
1. Dive Quality: People say Cozumel is way nicer than Kona for scuba, but looking at the videos posted on Youtube, I could not see the WOW effect for Cozumel? I mean, reefs look washed out, there are different species but you don't see much life (like a few fish here and there), etc. Kona videos have much wider range of corals and again much more lively than Cozumel? I have checked out dozens of videos for each, and as I was saying Cozumel looked pretty bleak to me? Ah, also, not to mention Kona has that spectacular manta dive;)
Both islands have very clear water. Cozumel has stronger currents overall. I only used one dive op there, Jack's Diving Locker, and we didn't drift dive IIRC. While the currents were weaker than Cozumel's, that still meant we had to kick against current in one direction for half our dive. As the dive op didn't offer anything bigger than Al80s, our dives were rather short. I'll address this factor again in the Prices section.

Hawaii does not have soft corals, so the underwater terrain gets a bit monotonous, though there are some very nice hard coral formations. Hawaii does have a very colorful selection of Pacific tropicals, not with the variety you'll find in the Indo-Pacific region, but definitely a different mix from the fish found in the Caribbean. Lots of species of butterflyfish, very colorful triggerfish, more species of morays, and the main attraction: endemic species you won't find anywhere else but the Hawaiian islands. Cozumel has one endemic species, the splendid toadfish, but a full 20% of Hawaii's fish are endemic. Therefore, it's a great destination for fish lovers who have already been diving in other locales and are looking for something different. It's also a great destination for divers who want a taste of Pacific diving without making the full trip across the Pacific.

Overall, I found Maui diving to be more interesting than Kona. Of course the Big Island is called Big for a good reason and the local boats only go so far up and down the coast. One day, after checking lots of other trips off my bucket list, I will try the Kona Aggressor. What would be cooler than a lava night dive? Anyway, Maui has interesting sites offshore as well as Molokini and nearby Lanai, so I've found greater variety there. Like I said, the terrain can get a bit monotonous, so variety is nice. Kauai, on the other hand, is an older island with lots of rain so the water is pretty murky. That may have been my least favorite of the three (haven't tried Oahu or Molokai yet), though the turtle population was very healthy there and it was good for macro. Maui is the only island I've returned to for a second dive trip (and a third), but that may be because I also prefer Maui topside.

What Kona does offer over Maui (and Cozumel for that matter) is the manta night dive. We did it one night and J loved it so much we signed up again for the next night. I prefer to spend my nights drinking and dining and she usually has to twist my arm to go night diving, but I was very agreeable in this case. We had dove with mantas in Yap and it was just ho hum. In Kona, where seven mantas eventually showed up each night, they give you an amazing hour long show, gliding around, swooping in so close they literally brush the top of your head. While I'm not so gung-ho about the day diving there, the manta night dive was spectacular - easily a must-do dive for anyone's list unless they're a manta hater.

2. Prices: Again, people were saying Cozumel is much cheaper / affordable / etc. Again, looking at hotel + dive packages in Cozumel, you can't get anything less than 2.5-3K USD for 6 days dive + 7 days hotel in something like Presidente or Park Royal (basically any 4+ star relatively nice hotel), and diving is around 80 USD per day in Cozumel (2 tank dive) with scuba du or h20. Looking at Kona, you can get Sheraton / Hilton or condos for ~ 200 USD, and dives are a bit more expensive (like 100 USD instead of 80). So, I don't see how Cozumel is cheaper, leave aside much cheaper?
The prices at the Presidente are indeed similar to mid-range hotels in Kona like the Sheraton and the amenities are similar as well. It will probably cost you about the same to eat at the Presidente versus eating in Kona. But the Presidente is the most expensive hotel on the Cozumel by far. There are plenty of lower priced options and that's what makes Cozumel cheaper. The amenities might not be the same, but you can find very decent rooms for around $80-$100/night, or spend even less if you book a package. I'm not sure what you'd end up with for $80/night on Kona, probably a doghouse in someone's backyard.

Not sure where you got your Park Royal pricing. I found rates on their website around $150/day and that was all-inclusive for 2 persons. I don't think there are any all-inclusive options in Kona and that's a big difference from Cozumel. There are plenty of AI options on Cozumel ranging from the very cheap (meals, drinks, and a room for ~$80/night) to the more expensive such as the Cozumel Palace which runs around $330-$400/night per couple. But that's for an ocean front junior suite with a huge hot tub in the living room, not to mention all the food and drink and other included amenities. That sort of room alone at the Sheraton, if it existed, would run you about the same amount or more, and you'd still have to buy food and drink.

Dining and drinking are definitely more expensive in Kona. As there are no all-inclusives, you can either cook your own meals and make your own drinks in a condo to save money (of course you could do that in Cozumel too) or dine and drink out. Cozumel is definitely cheaper if you're dining out and IMO, the food is much better. There are excellent restaurants in Maui and Oahu and even Kauai, but I was not so thrilled with Kona's selections.

Diving is way more expensive in Kona. I'm not sure where you priced the $100 as $125 is more the usual, maybe with a slight discount for multiple days. On the other hand, I pay $85 for what I consider to be the very best dive op in Cozumel, lots more amenities than you'll find in Kona including gear valet service and steel 120s for much longer dives. As I mentioned before, in Kona you'll pay for an Al80 and spend half your dive kicking against the current. Non-breathers in excellent shape may not mind much, but I was hard pressed to get longer than 45 minute dives. With the larger tank and drift diving, I'm able to easily make 60-70 minute dives with much deeper profiles. Therefore, if you price the dives per bottom time, you'll see that Cozumel can be much, much cheaper.

Finally, you'll have to get to the dive shop. Rental cars are just about mandatory in Hawaii and they're not cheap. On the other hand, only a few rent in Cozumel because many/most dive ops will pick you up right at your hotel dock. Besides the time savings and convenience of being picked up en route to the dive site, it's a big monetary savings as well. Of course you'll want that rental car in Kona in the afternoons as well because there are plenty of road trips: volcanos, black sand beaches, kayaking with dolphins, etc. On Cozumel, while there are a few topside attractions (some really ruined ruins and pretty beaches on the east side), to me it's not worth renting a car for a day at most. Again, however, Kona is big. A lot of the day trips are really day trips, impossible to do after a day of diving even if the altitude issues weren't a consideration. It takes a long time to drive to the volcanos and a really, really long time to drive to the other side of the island. Again, that's why I prefer Maui.

3. Flights: Much more painful for Cozumel and definitely more expensive, i.e. you have to fly thru' Houston, waits between flights are like 5 hours, etc.
Kona definitely beats Cozumel for convenient access from the west coast, that's for sure. From the L.A. area I either have to fly into Houston and overnight or I have to make a super-early flight out (a 5:15 flight means getting to LAX at 3:15, which means no sleep!). Even if you can't get a non-stop and have to change planes in HNL, Kona is definitely easier to get to. And while I find the flights back from Cozumel to the west coast to be more convenient than getting there (due to the time difference each way), you have the additional hassle of clearing customs/immigration in Houston.

So what to do?

As you haven't been diving in Cozumel or Kona, I'm going to guess that you're newer to diving. Or at least newer to tropical diving. You probably haven't see the same old Caribbean fish so many times that you crave something different. Cozumel has very excellent Caribbean diving, pretty much everything you could want: clear warm water, lots of colorful tropical fish with some pelagics as well (turtles, the occasional shark), easy drift diving with a choice of excellent dive ops, and the convenience of being picked up right at your hotel dock.

Kona isn't going anywhere for a while. It's the newest of the Hawaiian islands (except for the one that hasn't broken the surface yet) so it will be around for millions and millions of years more. Get your feet wet in the Caribbean and when you get bored with the selection of fish there and want something different, Kona is an easy hop for you. But for this trip, you'll get much more bang for your buck in Cozumel if you plan your trip right. While the Presidente/ScubaDu combo seems like a "no brainer" if money is no object, I'd actually spend a lot more time thinking that through, if not staying somewhere else, at least using a different dive op. But that's for a different thread.
 

Back
Top Bottom