PSAI Narcosis Management course - 73m on air

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Hal Watt's is a product of technical diving before mixed gases were available. In those day's people routinely pushed the envelope of deep air dives to 300+ feet. Rarely do you read reports of people having a toxing event. .

I was talking to Larry Green a couple months ago about some of his exploratory dives at Eagles Nest at if I recall correctly the 70's and early 80's. Eagles Nest is a deep cave system with depths around 280-300 feet or so. Back as this effort was going on Trimix was not a readily available gas and acctually later on he and his buddies became "test subjetcs" for trimix use and the tables to go with them. While diving air in the system Larry Green recounted a couple times where his face started to twitch and he would call the dive and ascend some and it would stop. As we know now this is an early symptom of Oxygen Toxcisity.
 
Is that what you do on your dives...?

Go down a line and come back up...? Doesn't sound like much fun... no reef, no wreck, no swimming...?

Mate, read the thread and my profile and stop trying to wind me up, ok? Bye
 
(BTW, 68m up seems like an awfully long way to go to reach a "safety bottle")

Where would you hang 100% oxygen?
 
Where would you hang 100% oxygen?

Was it a "safety bottle" or was it a "decompression bottle"? If it's not for decompression and the surface is a mere 6m away, go there: it's safer.

If I were to hang O2, yes: it would be at 20feet/6m. Personally speaking, any gas that isn't readily accessible does not qualify as "safety gas."

I understand that for your 10 minute bounce you were possibly on a no-stop profile, so I can see calling it an added bonus, cleanup gas if you will. But safety? That's a hard sell.
 
Where would you hang 100% oxygen?

I would have safety gas(es) deeper than 6m/20ft. If you are low or out of gas, its a long way up.

5mins on a line sounds like a deep air "personal best" depth record dive of yesteryear to me.
 
Tortuga68...... what exactly made you opt to take this course.... when you also had the option of Extended Range and/or Trimix?

The PSAI course doesn't seem that novel, as depth, air, time awareness should be hammered home to students at each stage of a regular tech training program anyway.

Using the 'drunk' analogy. This is like coaching a drunk to pass a sobriety test. Eventually anyone could down a bottle of whisky and walk a straight line, stand on one foot whilst touching their nose. They are still drunk though...still incapacitated...and still a danger to themselves and others if they attempted to drive an automobile.

I am strongly against level 5 (240') of this course on principle. At the risk of being a hypocrite, however, I would reflect on numerous deep air dives I have done in the 70-80m range. I conducted some quite hazardous wreck penetrations at those depths and, I believe now, that it was only good luck that brought me up safely on every occasion. With hindsight, I realize that I would have been completely incapable of dealing with any sort of major problem.

I certainly developed sufficient mental focus to cut through the fog, and I could run a perfect dive at those depths whilst impaired....but I also learnt that my brain was like mush whenever I had to attempt anything non-routine or unplanned.

As stated by the OP and the PSAI website.... their course teaches motor skills. Well.... motorskills and routines are fine...they allow the conduct of a dive, even whilst severely impaired. However, they cannot teach you to quickly and accurately problem solve whilst impaired.... and that is the biggest issue.

It is possible to routinely dive deep air...and gain a degree of confidence in doing so....as long as nothing unanticipated happens. If it does, you can flip a coin on your chances of getting back unscathed.

Setting aside the (serious) issues of exceeding safe ppo2, this course seems like nothing more than a series of poorly planned (instructor not on trimix, 100% O2 deco left on the line etc) bounce dives, where the only learning element is something that every developing tech diver should be recieving as routine anyway.
 
the pics show 2 deco gasses on the diver. don't think it was a 'no-stop' dive

What pictures?

edit: oh, from the link posted above?

Could just be a random photo they chose for the cover.

Here's something I've read before and still don't quite understand:

"[the] Narcosis Management® course is taught on air, to better prepare divers for Trimix..."
Huh?
 
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