Poseidon Xream Duration

[PaulSmithTek]

I was wondering if anyone that is a Poseidon Fan, has some information.

I was looking at the Poseidon Xtream Deep, and the Xtream Duration. According to the dive shop they belive that the Xtream Deep is nitrox compatible. But according to Poseidon's website the Xtream Deep is only compatible with 21% O2. Where as the Duration is compatible with up to 50% O2 So am I correct to say that the Xtream Deep is not nitrox compatible, as where the Duration is. With that said. has anyone dived the Duration and if so please let me know about the pros and cons of them air.

Thanks guys for all of your help. I am still trying to decide if I want to purchse a Poseidon or a Apex atx 200

 

[Seraphimx]

My scuba teacher used the Poseidon jetstream so I was looking at it when considering the purchase.

Finally, I bought an Apeks XTX-200.

Why?
-Hoses and Parts are diff from other regs. (its not an issue on the Apeks)
-Parts are harder to find sometimes.
-Service tech are harder to find. (go to any aqualung place and they fix your Apeks)

As for the Duration vs Deep... sincerly ... I dont know.

 

[Mark Vlahos]

When I purchased regulators for my doubles about a year ago I considered the Poseidon and the Apeks lines of regulators. I ended up choosing the Apeks. Don't get me wrong, I thought that the Poseidons looked great, it came down to long term service costs. If both regs are available at the same shop your job is a little easier. Go back to the shop and ask the salesman to tell you what the cost of service for the next 5 years will be. For the sake of comparison just assume that you do take them in for whatever service is recommended by the manufacturer of each regulator. You will also need to assume that you take wonderful care of the regs and no additional parts are ever needed. This will get you as close to comparing apples to apples as you can get. Once you have the price for service for a period of 5 years, add that to the purchase price and use that number to compare the two regs. This will be a lot closer to the real world cost of ownership than just purchase price alone.

For me, I found a shop that discounted service on regulators purchased at their retail store, but they only sold the Apeks, not the Poseidon. Apeks also offers free parts for the life of the regulator if you get it serviced at an authorized service center each and every year. Poseidon did not offer such a free parts program, and the shop that sold Poseidons had no discount on labor.

In my case I was looking at getting 2 first stages and 2 second stages serviced each year. The Poseidons would cost $25 per stage, or $100 in labor plus about $60 in parts each year to service. The Apeks would cost $15 per stage, and free parts to service each year. The difference was huge $160 per year or $60. The service intervals for the two brands and what work was needed was different between the brands so the difference factored out over the 5 years was closer to $80 per year, but could be as high as $120 per year depending on the parts for the Poseidons, so I just shot for the middle and called it $100 for comparison purposes.

Your shop or shops may have very different pricing structures so the difference may not be as much or even reversed with the Poseidons costing less to service, so you need to get numbers that are realistic for you and your situation. Just get some numbers, service over the life of a regulator is more expensive than the purchase price, imagine what the costs will be if you own them and get them serviced for the next 20 years. Frankly each of the brands you are considering should give you 20 years or longer in regular service.

Mark Vlahos

 

[PaulSmithTek]

The Prices of both regulators where differnet. the Apex ATX was around 700 and the poseidon was 562.00

 

[Mark Vlahos]

The Prices of both regulators where differnet. the Apex ATX was around 700 and the poseidon was 562.00

Are those prices purchase only prices, or are they factored out to include purchase AND service costs for 5 years?

I get the feeling that those are purchase only prices since service alone would be anywhere from $50 per year up to as much as $125 per year. If you are planning on never getting your regulators serviced then ignore the service costs. If those costs are purchase only costs, do they include complete regulator sets including an "octopus" second stage, and if appropriate Submersible Pressure Guage, and assembly costs (if any)?

If you feel that one brand or the other has superior qualtiy or performance that will be a factor. If you percieve the quality and performance to be comperable then make your decision based on price, and extended service costs alone.

Mark Vlahos

 

[PaulSmithTek]

Those prices are purchase only prices. The poseidon purchase only is cheaper then the apex. They they charge 50 dollars for service charge durning matience time. which they said that the poseidon only needs to be serviced once every three years depending on how much it is dove.

 

[Mark Vlahos]

Those prices are purchase only prices. The poseidon purchase only is cheaper then the apex. They they charge 50 dollars for service charge durning matience time. which they said that the poseidon only needs to be serviced once every three years depending on how much it is dove.

Well, if that $50 for Poseidon service includes parts, and the Apeks service is exactly the same, then it seems that the Poseidons will cost far less both initially and over the long term.

The way you seem to present the numbers, the Poseidon will cost $562 to purchase and $100 to service for a term of 6 years, totalling $662. The Apeks will cost about $700 to purchase and $50 per year to service, so the 6 year total would be $1000.

I don't want to offend you but I would really get specific with the questions to your local shop $50 for a service once every 3 years seems really, really, low. Are the parts included? Does that price include the first stage and two second stages? I was told by several different shops that Poseidon parts are pretty expensive, and Poseidon does not give you free parts after the first two years. The general maintenance interval that I was told Poseidon regulators would need was a minor adjustment the first year and a major overhaul on the second, with this two year cycle repeating for as long as you own the gear.

I was told that the Apeks may only require a minor adjustment on the first year, but since the parts are free most shops would do a major overhaul every year. So sort of a similar intent on the two year plan, but in reality a major overhaul every year.

If your numbers are accurate and complete and price is the only thing the decision hinges on, then your choice is pretty easy.

Mark Vlahos

 

[PaulSmithTek]

Sorry about that Mark, I thought I put that in there. No the parts are not free. I do thought like the Idea with the Poseidon of the second stage having a Servo Neddle instead of a typ diaphram. But that could cause a problem if the regulator starts to free flow, what do you do shake it till it stops, or would it stop by turning it over?
Anyway, thats for your feed back Mark if you have any other ideas or suggestions please feel free.

Well, if that $50 for Poseidon service includes parts, and the Apeks service is exactly the same, then it seems that the Poseidons will cost far less both initially and over the long term.

The way you seem to present the numbers, the Poseidon will cost $562 to purchase and $100 to service for a term of 6 years, totalling $662. The Apeks will cost about $700 to purchase and $50 per year to service, so the 6 year total would be $1000.

I don't want to offend you but I would really get specific with the questions to your local shop $50 for a service once every 3 years seems really, really, low. Are the parts included? Does that price include the first stage and two second stages? I was told by several different shops that Poseidon parts are pretty expensive, and Poseidon does not give you free parts after the first two years. The general maintenance interval that I was told Poseidon regulators would need was a minor adjustment the first year and a major overhaul on the second, with this two year cycle repeating for as long as you own the gear.

I was told that the Apeks may only require a minor adjustment on the first year, but since the parts are free most shops would do a major overhaul every year. So sort of a similar intent on the two year plan, but in reality a major overhaul every year.

If your numbers are accurate and complete and price is the only thing the decision hinges on, then your choice is pretty easy.

Mark Vlahos