Pony bottle & recreational diving...Need input...

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I think the OP's instructor was trying to explain that the pony is a crutch. Like training wheels on a bicycle, some feel safer having extra safety gear.
That's not necessarily a bad thing though. It depends if the extra safety makes a diver more confident or more cocky. Confidence is never a bad thing in my opinion, and my first dive with a pony it was a great feeling to feel more self-sufficient and I think it allowed me to relax (in a good way, I don't mean I checked air less frequency or anything). The other side is it may make you cockier or give you a false sense of security: check air less often, stay down longer, go deeper, etc which is a bad thing. I think a pony makes me more confident, but I'm careful to make sure I never have to use it.

Fortunately we're talking about a recreational diver, not this guy;
Double redundancy is fine in a combat situation but not necessary in shallow water.
I don't consider 130 feet, possibly inside (light zone) of a wreck, cavern, or under ice to be "shallow water".

Even 60 feet is deep enough to get into trouble.
 
again the sport is about having fun .if you have a pony tank and practice with it have fun. this is what the sport is about . just dive f ??? the people that say you don't the extra tank. if you own it use it be safe with a buddy (best thing) dive safe have fun.this is what the fun is.it is your call. don't listen to the expertes(sp)if you have an extra tank n(pony)and all the experts are out of air ......guess what at 60 ft,30ft.if you own one clip it on .if you bought it use it.under water it don't weight ****.just be a good trained buddy,and have one also. be safe and always train for the bad. it's your life not the pros.if you own the tank take it.under 60 ft i would be next to you and say thank you.
 
To the OP: There is a lot of static in this thread.

Whether to carry a pony bottle or not is a very controversial topic, as you have no doubt learned (if you have learned nothing else from this thread).

Rather than talk about pony bottle or not, let's talk about the problem you are trying to solve: It's the problem of having a depleted or malfunctioning gas supply at depth. Depleted should never happen -- that's the gas management stuff that people are linking to, and that you should absolutely read. If you consume enough gas underwater to end up in difficulties, you have kind of earned your problems -- you either haven't checked your gas often enough, or you had no plan as to how your gas was to be used.

If you have a malfunctioning gas supply at depth, you have two options. One is to obtain gas from a teammate, and the other is to self-rescue. Self-rescue can be done with a pony bottle, or with double tanks. Virtually everybody who enters an environment where a malfunction could be lethal (wrecks and caves) uses doubles, because they permit self-rescue. If you are frequently diving with previously unknown buddies, or in unknown circumstances, doubles are a great idea, but a pony bottle gives you much the same resource.

There are issues with ponies. If you mount them behind you, you can have a leak you don't realize, and the pony can be empty when you need it. If it's mounted behind you, you can't turn the valve; discovering it's off when you need gas would be depressing.

Another option is to utilize your buddy. There are issues with buddies. Some don't maintain adequate gas reserves to get two people to the surface, and others can't be found, or their attention can't be gained.

I dive in a system that trains buddies. The people I dive with get frankly nervous if they aren't close enough to their teammates, or if they aren't in visual contact with them. In addition, we are taught gas management, and to maintain adequate reserves. Therefore, I do not use a pony, or dive doubles most of the time in recreational dives. But were I to get on a boat in Hawaii with a bunch of strangers, I would sling a 40 as a pony -- the advantage of slinging a bottle being that you can see the valve and the reg and be aware of any leaks, and easily turn on the gas.

There are a lot of problems in diving you have to solve. Precisely stating the problem helps define its parameters, and then you have to decide what resources you have to solve the problem, and choose a strategy. Your instructor has clearly gone one way; you appear to want to go another. I think you have an instructor mismatch.
 
Whether to carry a pony bottle or not is a very controversial topic, as you have no doubt learned (if you have learned nothing else from this thread).

I've learned that from every thread I've read on here :D Even "do you like to set up your own gear" turned into a heated debate.
 
I don't consider 130 feet, possibly inside (light zone) of a wreck, cavern, or under ice to be "shallow water".
I wouldn't consider that to be recreational diving.
 
I wouldn't put rental gear that takes abuse from people who don't own it and could care less with personal well maintained gear. It's like apples and oranges. I have seen people drive company vehicles in ways they would never drive their own.

Are you suggesting that resort dive operations should not rent equipment as it encourages abuse? Besides, that is not the point. I have been saying that some scuba equipment is supplied defective from new, a far higher proportion than should be the case. What is your problem with that?
 
On second thought, I will just excuse myself from this thread.

N
 
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Let's just agree to differ then. I don't think it's very likely that our diving paths will ever cross.
 
I get around but we can agree to disagree. N
 

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