PADI members expelled

[fjpatrum]

i know a whole bunch of divers that got AOW without getting in the water. They were all BSAC Advanced Divers and were going to part of the world where BSAC wasn't well known. The dive school who had trained them years earlier (and where their club was based) signed them off for just the certification fee. They were all we above AOW standard but I imagine PADI would take a dim view.

I thought that "at instructor's discretion" or something was part of all the courses. (I'm clearly not an instructor so I might misunderstand.) IE the instructor certifies that the student meets the standards for AOW certification. Does it mean they have to follow a rigorous course outline to the letter to qualify an already qualified student? I'm not trying to be a smartass, here.

 

[Diver0001]

I thought that "at instructor's discretion" or something was part of all the courses.

There is some room for interpretation with respect to whether or not a particular skill has been mastered but it would be impossible to judge one way or the other without having the student demonstrate the skill.

R..

 

[aceupmysleeve777]

Like others have said PADI suspends, expells, and require retraining all the time. I know of a instructor that got himself in big trouble with PADI with having to many students on an open water dive. I guess his DM was a no show but still took the class out the ratio should have been 8/1 but was more like 12/1. There just so happened to be a PADI QA person at the site that seen what happened as the class came out of the water. The QA guy went up and talked to him asked where his assistant was and the instructor asked him, "what do you think you are the PADI police"? As a matter a fact...........
Haven't seen that instructor for a long time!

 

[and9744]

Thanks for all the responses I understand how it works now

 

[DivemasterDennis]

Padi professionals are expelled and/or de-certified primarily for violation of standards, failure to cooperate with a PADI investigation, failure to maintain current certification, and of course, failure to pay dues. I find PADI to be active in following up with complaints about instructors and DM's and when an incident report is filed. If problems cannot be corrected, violating professionals are removed. The de-certification or suspension or expulsion is published in their periodical.
DivemasterDennis

 

[chrpai]

That was third+ party hearsay and never was substantiated.

Really? The thread and email from PADI Quality Mgmt is right here:

http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/ba...does-revoke-certifications-4.html#post6425608

Are you saying this was forged?

 

[Diver0001]

Well.... I guess from PADI's point of view if the diver had been issued a card but hadn't completed the performance requirements then they were "certified" under false pretense.... Technically speaking, the student hadn't actually completed the course so from that point of view it's not so much "revoking" the cert as "correcting" the instructor's unethical handling of PADI's standards.

To give PADI the blame for that isn't fair, really. In fact, if you think about it, it's in the student's best interest to have the mistake corrected. The last thing you want is for someone to *think* that they have learned what they needed to learn from a course and be mistaken .... and let's face it, PADI doesn't have a choice in those cases. What do you think a judge would say if PADI's lawyers went to court with a defense of "we knew this person hadn't met the performance requirements but we decided to be nice and let them keep the card..."

R..

 

[Centrals]

Even CD got expelled eg. go to Thailand section.
Scroll down to the bottom of PADI home page and click on "Quality Management"......you will find a list of expelled members over last few yrs.

 

[Ayisha]

What everyone else said. I have only ever heard of DMs/instructors getting expelled, and it's usually for some seriously bad **** (we had one up in our neck of the woods about 15 years ago due to sexual harassment of a female student for example).

I knew the one that got expelled here for sexual harassment of a female student about 5 years ago. I didn't know about the one 15 years ago that you mentioned, but that was before my time...

 

[eelnoraa]

How about this, would the PADI instructor be in touble?

--say someone already knew how to dive a drysuit (think GUE fundie pass in drysuit type). For some reason, he/she needs a PADI drysuit cert. Instead of taking the class, he/she went diving with a PADI instructor (for a small fee or friendship). Basically, he/she was there to demonstrate his/her proficiency with a drysuit. Then the PADI isntructor gave he/her a drysuit cert.

Is this a violaton?