PADI a pain?!?

[Mafiaman]

With common roots and so many parallels in training and certification levels it's just unreasonable to say one agency is far worse than another.
And to claim that the training today is inferior, or less than days gone by is just arrogance, I would direct you to the forum where accidents are are posted,, so many of them start out by saying how many years the deceased person has been diving.

 

[Scuba_Steve]

......I would direct you to the forum where accidents are are posted,, so many of them start out by saying how many years the deceased person has been diving.

Yep, diving 12 years, that's a while........has 150 dives in total (12.5 a year), and none in the last 10months...... DAN states you're most apt to have an accident on the first dive of the first day of the annual vacation.....which all means most of these mishaps are coming from unskilled and out of touch divers for a few rather obvious reasons.....we can't fix yesterday, but we can fix today and tomorrow......but we won't.

We can most certainly say that training today is getting worse, not better, simply because the continual slackening of the standards and pre-requisites to increase enrollment is not helping make better divers, that's for sure.

 

[Scuba_Steve]

The same could be said about car drivers but I think I'd rather deal with traffic than go back to horses...

NO actually it's yet another very poor analogy that I see quite often.

You can lose your drivers licence when you've proven you're an idiot enough times.

Prior to that you're also more apt to pay a higher insurance premium as well as a direct result of continual bad behavior.

Not to mention scuba police-ing (doesn't exists but..) it would be a very good method of increasing the states/provinces revenues.

Hmmm, mandated insurance and fines..........

I like that.

 

[Mark_J]

You can lose your drivers licence when you've proven you're an idiot enough times.

You can cause an accident with fatalities and not even get a ticket, so that comment is not an accurate one.

Prior to that you're also more apt to pay a higher insurance premium as well as a direct result of continual bad behavior.

Not sure your comment here is all that accurate either. I see way too many senior citizens that have no business driving, pay the lowest premiums because of the number of years they have been driving and cause more accidents than they are actually involved in.

DAN states you're most apt to have an accident on the first dive of the first day of the annual vacation.....which all means most of these mishaps are coming from unskilled and out of touch divers for a few rather obvious reasons

Ok help me follow this line of reasoning. Unless DAN has statistics indicating how many of those accidents affect brand new divers I'm not sure you can definitively blame training. If the accidents occur with an out of touch diver, surely it's the diver's responsibility to take refreshers, check/service equipment, etc. The quality of training cannot be responsible for bad decisions and risk taking on the part of a 'vacation' diver.

Using cars as a comparison, we can say that Drivers Ed needs to improve but a large percentage of accidents occur from drivers making bad choices, not from the standards and tests they took to get their license.

 

[matts1w]

The idea is to inform others of our point of view and NOT to insult them with our point of view.

I think you can rest assureed that if you, Steve, and Walter never said another word about PADI, the "others" on this board would remain quite informed about how you feel. Meanwhile you could then find more time to bring something else to scubaboard besides this tired topic on almost every thread.

 

[ehuber]

It is my belief that AOW is misnamed... I think the word "advanced" is misleading, as certification in this class is NOT a verification of advanced skill, but more of an introduction to adventure dives (deep, navigation, PP buoyancy). So if you're comfortable in the water and with your equipment, have decent buoyancy, and really learned the skills in OW then you'll be fine and learn alot.

If you just did what you needed to pass OW and haven't dived since, don't really know your equipment, and have crappy buoyancy then delay your class.

Speak to the instructor, it never hurts to ask questions...

 

[Scuba_Steve]

You can cause an accident with fatalities and not even get a ticket, so that comment is not an accurate one.

Boy are you pissin' into the wind...... :shakehead

 

[Mafiaman]

I think the a car/driving analogy can be a good one, many polls have shown that 95% of drivers think they drive better than the people they share the road with.

I see parallels with some divers here thinking they do it better than the rest, always.

 

[Scuba_Steve]

I think you can rest assureed that if you, Steve, and Walter never said another word about PADI, the "others" on this board would remain quite informed about how you feel. Meanwhile you could then find more time to bring something else to scubaboard besides this tired topic on almost every thread.

So you'd rather we not tell you what we ourselves have experienced and let a load of misinformation wash all over you?

I don't think that would be fair to you.

We speak on topics that interest us for whatever reason it may be. I'm sure if you kick around other areas on the board you will find us speaking on topics that have nothing to do with how Padi runs their operation, which BTW they are welcome to do it however they want, we just don't think it's very smart from a diving point of view.


Meh, whatever. I'm off to play with JeffG now since I can't convince him to come over here We're going to co-teach a golf-ball specialty.

 

[Walter]

I think you can rest assureed that if you, Steve, and Walter never said another word about PADI, the "others" on this board would remain quite informed about how you feel. Meanwhile you could then find more time to bring something else to scubaboard besides this tired topic on almost every thread.

You're right, but I don't believe we are the ones who bring up the topic. I know I've never brought it up. I do not plan to ever bring it up. I do reserve the right to respond to inaccurate statements on the topic.