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salty:
I thought this was an open forum (the DIR part that is)? The title under the name was a user selectable option in the CP.
I might be getting old and senile, but I thought I remembered that I had to join the group to see the threads. ???? I could very well be wrong though.

But anyhoo...if you go to join a group, the default is to change your title.

Edit: Hmmm...I might be wrong again. Just was playing with it for a bit. Right now you would have to select Identify Me as Part of the Group (or something like that)...The old behavior renamed your title...maybe??? I could be just losing it...LOL
 
VeniVidi:
You raised a valid point, although I have not mentioned overhead environment, so far. But taking into consideration that the DIR diving emerged from cave diving, it is a valid point.

Ok. Let me first define what -I- treat as overhead, since it's possible that we aren't on the same page here. Overhead, IMHO, is -any- dive where a direct, no stop, ascent to the surface isn't a viable option. Wether it be true hard overhead, deco, a lack of desire to free ascent away from a line, whatever...

So in other words, I treat most of my dives as overhead dives, even if I'm within recreational depths and times, because I'm not gonna be 'that guy' that comes up 500 feet from the boat! ;)

Only, who or what tells you that you stay cool if a calmity occurs? I know, a lot can be anticipated by schooling and training - my thought just circle around the residual risk of irrational behavior pattern by unvoluntary emotional overcomes. And I am convinced that any person has his/her personal stress threshold. So why not anticipate?

Well, for one feel experience is far more important than training, and while training is necessary, it doesn't replace the need to work your way up to those new limits that you've been trained for. With experience comes confidence; as things happen you judge your reaction to them and make a call in post dive analysis if you were within your personal limits, close to them, or over them.

I used to calculate my SAC rate for every dive. I don't do this anymore because I know during the dive if it's on what I expect or not. If I'm doing very well or very bad, I'll calculate it out, to make sure I don't have to adjust the numbers I use for my planning, but in general I -know- my SAC rate. If my SAC rate is running high, it's due to some sort of stress... then I look really close to those dives and look for explinations for the high gas use.

Personally I have shown myself I have some ability to stop and relax. I believe it was dive #64 where I thought I was the balls, coming back from some 100+ foot wreck diving in North Carolina and heading out for some deep stuff off New York. I was down at 121, in cold dark water, when my backup reg started to bubble and I got slammed with the dark narc. I thumbed it and my buddies waved 'goodbye'. I started heading back to the line when the voice came... you know the voice.... the one in the back of your head. "You're gonna die!". On the verge of panic I stopped, checked my gas, checked my reel, checked my liftbag, checked my time. "Whatever brain-dude.. I can ascend any time I want". Got my breathing back in control and continued on. Got to the line, checked gas and time. 12 minutes, 1200 psi... which was precisely my plan limits.

I learned a -lot- from that dive. About myself, about buddies, about limits, about arrogance, about complacency, about limits, about limits, about limits.... You get the point.

So anyway... back to the question at hand. First off think about that second pressure guage. Is it necessary to your ability to keep cool? I mean, is it -really-? Can you truely believe that the information is going to be enough to keep you cool in a stressful situation? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess "no". But just because I believe that, doesn't mean you believe that.... YET.

Now the catch is that you truely need to use your SPG as it's should be used; as a backup guage to tell you your left post is on, your isolator is open, and you aren't overly stressed and need to cut back on your dive plan. But that's a leap of faith that takes experience to accept.

So, if you're actually still reading my babble at this point, I'm gonna give you a piece of advice. I'm not gonna tell you to dump your second guage. Keep it. But: For now on, don't look at your SPG to get a number, get a number then look at your SPG to see how it compares. Don't worry about it at first... just guess what you think it should be. You'll be amazed at how fast you start to nail it. After a while you'll notice you subconciously take your mental comfort into account too.... where your 'guesstimate' starts to take into account a nice easy drifting dive, vs. a dark, cold, motoring against current dive.

If you do that, you'll eventually realize that you are using your SPG as a backup, using your brain as the primary, and you'll have the confidence to accept that if somethings gonna happen to take you over the edge, that second pressure guage ain't gonna help you, and really was just a crutch.
 
ste:
And I can dive with an AI computer
WHY NOT???

As far as DIR is concerned:
1. Computers are not generaly used unless placed into gauge mode.
2. The transmitter on the first stage is unnecessary as noted in prior posts. You only need one SPG. The transmitter is a liability, its can be sheared off and is just one more thing that can be broken.
3. There is no need for an AI computer the added feature of AI just adds to the cost of a pice of equipment you dont realy need. If you want a logging computer there are better options out there that may be less expensive than the typical AI computer. Even if you have an AI computer diving DIR would pervent half of the functions the computer would offer.

Im still not clear on why you have DIR under your screen name, Alot has changed on SB recentaly that might have something to do with it. Any way it is causing some confusion on my part, are you a DIR diver?

On Edit: if you already have it then use it but with out the transmitter IF your DIR. If your not DIR and dont want to be than dont worry about it.
 
Spectre:
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So, if you're actually still reading my babble at this point, I'm gonna give you a piece of advice. I'm not gonna tell you to dump your second guage. Keep it. But: For now on, don't look at your SPG to get a number, get a number then look at your SPG to see how it compares. Don't worry about it at first... just guess what you think it should be. You'll be amazed at how fast you start to nail it. After a while you'll notice you subconciously take your mental comfort into account too.... where your 'guesstimate' starts to take into account a nice easy drifting dive, vs. a dark, cold, motoring against current dive.

If you do that, you'll eventually realize that you are using your SPG as a backup, using your brain as the primary, and you'll have the confidence to accept that if somethings gonna happen to take you over the edge, that second pressure guage ain't gonna help you, and really was just a crutch.
Jeff, I normally stay away from posting in the DIR forum since I'm not DIR.

That said, after reading your response to this thread, it is by far the most common sense response to a thread I have seen in the DIR forum in a long time. 3 cheers and thanks for a thoughtful response.

Also, I think your advice is awesome on the idea of guessing then looking. I've started to do that same thing recently and it's amazing to see how close I actually am. Great confidence builder.

Brian
 
Quarrior:
Also, I think your advice is awesome on the idea of guessing then looking. I've started to do that same thing recently and it's amazing to see how close I actually am. Great confidence builder.

Confidence truely is the key to a -lot- of things. I was once taught [by a very wise woman if she's reading this ;)]:

"You can never anticipate everything and anything that can happen to you. You have to build the confidence that you are 'just that damn good', and it is that confidence that will save your life"
 
Nice questions in a good manners:
Some people answer with "trolling" mode...
btw
1)Im still not clear on why you have DIR under your screen name
................me too I just selected an options, I joined the group DIR "To learn about DIR". everyone learn from somebody else.
Alot has changed on SB recentaly that might have something to do with it. Any way it is causing some confusion on my part, are you a DIR diver?
..........no I'm not , I joined this group to learn about DIR but Its like , you are a DIR or you are out....not fair
On Edit: if you already have it then use it but with out the transmitter IF your DIR. If your not DIR and dont want to be than dont worry about it.
Nice I like the last one, thank for your feedback.
Just use your computer with out trasmitter.
 
ste:
..........no I'm not , I joined this group to learn about DIR but Its like , you are a DIR or you are out....not fair

The problem is that this forum was started for people to get DIR replys to questions. Its one thing to question a reply for an explnation. What causes problems is when a blatent Non Dir answer is given. This is what started the Hog. Forum.

I think the automatic titles are causing some problems specificaly the "SOLO" and "DIR". Perhaps a moderator could take note of this.
 
Spectre:
Confidence truely is the key to a -lot- of things. I was once taught [by a very wise woman if she's reading this ;)]:

"You can never anticipate everything and anything that can happen to you. You have to build the confidence that you are 'just that damn good', and it is that confidence that will save your life"

Spectre, that is just so damn good. Kudos to the wise woman !

BTW that answers the question about mental reasons evoked earlier in the thread by the thread originator ...
 
Spectre:
Confidence truely is the key to a -lot- of things. I was once taught [by a very wise woman if she's reading this ;)]:

"You can never anticipate everything and anything that can happen to you. You have to build the confidence that you are 'just that damn good', and it is that confidence that will save your life"


Nice post Jeff. I guess having the confidence in your skills is the really the only way to tell that peskey dragon to back off for a bit.

In terms of this thread, I guess the take home message is that if you have to shut down a post and all of sudden (without your gauge) you don't have a clue how much gas you have, then you need to reevaluate how you are diving.
 
Competence is to be preferred since it carries confindence as spare change.
Confidence by itself, on the other hand, may be flat broke when the bills come due.
 

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