No Octo?? Here goes...Blast away!!

[markfm]

Ahh, clarification time perhaps.
Having a second second stage regulator, whether it is on a separate hose or sharing the hose with the BC infator, is the norm, what people today are taught they really should have.
Many, many people have the separate second stage/hose, absolutely fine.

Fewer, though I suspect a non-trivial number, have an Air2, or Shadow+, or something similar. That definitely "counts" as having a safe second. Some people may bash on that, horror stories that the equipment is terrible/bad/will make you go blind, but that is a separate story (when it comes to particular equipment selection there are real zealots out there).

It's only the idea of having nothing at all as a second second stage which is poor, non-standard, against common practice.

As I mentioned I personally have a Shadow+, in-line with my BC inflator. It worked just fine, still does. I recently added a "normal" safe second, on a longer 5' hose, but that's just to make it simpler working in a training environment. (Don't laugh TOO hard, but I'm Reg Man these days -- my primary, my Shadow+, my "normal" safe second, and on open water dives I carry a pony with its own reg )

 

[WaterDawg]

I think that if you had been more specific in the original post, the misunderstandings probably wouldn't have happened.

II think your choice of words "bc with a mouthpiece" is somewhat vague. I envisoned you breathing off of the manual inflater on a bc. I would imagine that other people probably thought the same thing.

Right.


The Original poster isnt such a "meverick" as he might think! Alternate airsource inflators are common, I at one point even had one. Part of proper usage of the gear is learning it name.

Now, can someone recomend a good pair of foot-doo-hickies?

 

[wardric]

To answer to that Troll.

I dont want to repeat what was said but:

I also do mountain climbing. Never fell, so I guess I should not use a rope anymore. They are so troublesome, get stuck in crevices, etc.

 

[markfm]

Right.

Now, can someone recomend a good pair of foot-doo-hickies?

Ahh, you must mean flippers

 

[aabond]

Why not just end the thread sufficing it to say that diving without using some kind of second regulator is a bad idea, even though it has been done before. The end of another MOF-like thread.

 

[wardric]

I had not read all the posts. The ScubaPro Air 2 is IMO a secondary source comparable to an octo. original post was not clear (and a little flamy).

number of dives logged is not a complete indication of experience. 200 dives in various environements and conditions is more valuable than 1000 dives on the same shallow reef for example. Some people even log pool dives. Also, on this thread, people can put what they want as a number. Some people write none/not certified and I suspect they dive every day. Some may write 3000+ and include every bath they took in their life. So I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that the number of dives indicated on this forum are a certainty of experience. Still not convinced it's not a Troll though, but I may be wrong.

 

[Diver Dennis]

Why not just end the thread sufficing it to say that diving without using some kind of second regulator is a bad idea, even though it has been done before. The end of another MOF-like thread.

Well I think the MOF thread was discussing something that is not quite as important as an octo...

 

[Divmstr223]

I have only been diving a short while. My gear does not have an octo and I really don't like one banging around. My Ow instructor and several folks who have been diving A LONNNNNNG time have generally dropped theirs ( ie. don't have one)when they are not in a class setting. I have seen too many octos create more problems than they would have prevented. My BC has a mouthpiece and I have used that( on a practice basis)...I understand the buddy principle, have one for your buddy and all, but the two guys I generally go with most of the time carry a "safe second" tank...

Let 'er rip...anyone's thoughts???

If any of you guys actually READ the first post you would have figured out that yes, he does have an AIR 2 or an equivalent....Unless you understood him to mean he was breathing excess air out of his B.C. from the inflator....I mean come on now, think about it! Some of you fellas have EGO's that are way too big and think that the only way to dive is the way YOU dive. Okay, wrapping the Octo around your neck, I have never heard or seen anyone else do this in my 12 years of diving until I came to SB and read about it. I think that sounds awkward, but I won't knock it til I try it, it might be the greatest things since sliced bread for all I know.

I think Billeelou created this thread for some actual feedback on AIR II (or equivalent) vs. Octo and got bashed by most of you for it......no cool.

It is my firm opinion that some of you guys dive with too much excess equipment because you can afford too..(Overkill).... How much is too much? and what's the difference between and Octo and an AIR 2? They are both connected to the same tank.... they are in essence the same thing and do the same job, 6 of one and half a dozen of the other. Unless of course you use a Pony, that's a different story altogether.

There are many ways to dive safely, YOURS is not the only way!!...

 

[Nemrod]

I am not sure the original post involves an AIR II. There has been limited instruction in past times using the BC power inflator to breath from---I would suggest it is less dangerous than the "breathing straight from the tank thread"--as in Deep Blue. It actually works in a pinch. Would not like to do it for any length of time. Whenever there is a thread that goes against PadI-think such as the MOF thread people go off the deep end. Whoever he was if stirring the pot was his purpose it has been stirred. There are those that think some of you fellows might look like submersible dive shops. N

 

[HowardE]

I am not sure the original post involves an AIR II. There has been limited instruction in past times using the BC power inflator to breath from---I would suggest it is less dangerous than the "breathing straight from the tank thread"--as in Deep Blue. It actually works in a pinch. Would not like to do it for any length of time. Whenever there is a thread that goes against PadI-think such as the MOF thread people go off the deep end. Whoever he was if stirring the pot was his purpose it has been stirred. There are those that think some of you fellows might look like submersible dive shops. N

That's a nice avitar photo.... MOF.